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Gabriel (40 Paladin) Apr 24, 2011 4:06:31 GMT

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Post by Gore-illa on Apr 24, 2011 4:06:31 GMT

Hey all, I am new here and starting to create my own build. I did a lot of reading up here on paladins and their pros and cons and I think I did some good work here but I would love some input from fellow builders on HG. Well, here's the build:

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Half-Elf: Pharlan
Strength: 12
Dexterity: 14
Constitution: 10
Wisdom: 12
Intelligence: 12
Charisma: 16

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Stat Spread: 8 Cha, 8 Str, 4 Dex

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Feats:
01: Blooded
03: WF: Greataxe
06: Power Attack
09: Divine Shield
12: Improved Critical Greataxe
15: Extra Smiting
18: Extend Spell

21: Great Smiting I
23: Great Smiting II
24: Great Smiting III
26: Great Smiting IV
27: Great Smiting V
29: Great Smiting VI
30: Great Smiting VII
32: Great Smiting VIII
33: Great Smiting IX
35: Great Smiting X
36: Epic Weapon Focus Greataxe
38: Epic Prowess
39: Armor Skin

42: LSA Tumble
45: Legendary Weapon Focus Greataxe
48: Greater Weapon Focus Greataxe
51: Great Dexterity I
54: Great Dexterity II
57: LSA Listen
60: Legendary Spell Focus Enchantment

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Read Enchantment Spell Book!
Read Sneak Attack Pandect!
Use Constitution Artifact!

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Final Stats:
-----60 ---------------- Double Demi --------------- +14s(Artifact)
STR: 52 ------------------- 56 ----------------------------- 58
DEX: 32 ------------------- 36 ----------------------------- 38
CON: 22 ------------------ 26 ------------------------------ 30
WIS: 28 ------------------- 32 ------------------------------ 34
INT: 24 -------------------- 28 ------------------------------ 30
CHA: 44 ------------------- 48 ------------------------------ 50

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Gabriel (40 Paladin) Apr 24, 2011 5:37:11 GMT

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Post by KnightErrant on Apr 24, 2011 5:37:11 GMT

As a Pharlan reading the Spell Resistance book will give you 79 SR at level 60 and the SR book is a lot easier to get than the sneak one...IMHO...
Also splashing one level of Ranger after 21 will get you a extra epic feat, which is hard to pass up....since there's currently no bonus for being a pure Paladin unlike most of the other melee classes.

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Crazy Veteran Posts: 243	Gabriel (40 Paladin) Apr 25, 2011 13:43:13 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Crazy on Apr 25, 2011 13:43:13 GMT I would use a one handed weapon + shield, you will not enjoy low AC.
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Gabriel (40 Paladin) Apr 25, 2011 14:19:23 GMT

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Post by gandoron on Apr 25, 2011 14:19:23 GMT

Very very few tank builds can pull off low AC. These builds are generally based on very high conceal (ie. staffmaster) or high soak (ie. CoT). Relying on div shield for AC is hard, I have done it on my bg smiter/stunner (planar turning), but he was better off with a shield most times.

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Gabriel (40 Paladin) Apr 25, 2011 15:28:04 GMT

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Apr 25, 2011 5:06:59 GMT Gore-illa said:

Would there be any way for me to add 5 HS levels without harming the buil any? Looking for more input on this!

Personally, I like Pally better with a splash and HS is not a bad choice.

It'll mean your great smite AB will drop to 95 and you'll lose some duration on buffs.

In exchange, you'll get +2 Dex (or Cha) and extra attacks from the Harper Boots.

There are a couple of ways you can do it:

1) go 35/5; you'll have to use a lot of skill points to get the HS pre-reqs, but you'll keep the extra Pally feat at lvl 35.

2) go 34/5/1 (rgr); the Ranger level gets you an extra bonus feat and lets you save skill points on the "Search" requirement

3) go 32/5/3 (rog) or 33/5/2(ftr); These options nerf your smite a bit more but get you more skill points (rogue) or an extra feat (ftr).

Whichever way you go, don't take your HS levels until after lvl 21 - this will ensure you keep the maximum BAB and get two epic feats from the HS levels.

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gandoron Legend Posts: 1,725	Gabriel (40 Paladin) Apr 25, 2011 17:41:24 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by gandoron on Apr 25, 2011 17:41:24 GMT If you drop too many levels you can't use the Cania pally plate which is very nice. wiki.hgweb.org/wiki/Plate_of_the_Holy_Avenger

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Gabriel (40 Paladin) Apr 26, 2011 6:22:09 GMT

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Apr 26, 2011 1:27:56 GMT Gore-illa said:

What would you change in the main build to go 35/5 pally/hs? Need some help here

Firstly, you will need to meet the requirements for HS: quite a bunch or skills, Iron Will and Alertness. The two feats will be kind of compensated in epic levels where you should take HS - you will be able to chose from bard epic feats, among others Great Dex, Great Cha, Epic Skill Focus. The skill points might pose a bigger problem, because pallies are naturally starving in this department.

I suggest dropping starting Cha to 14 (18), you will get it back from HS feats. Place these points in Int and Str/Con and you will end up with more skills to ease the pressure.

What I did in my (very similar) build, is splashing 3 more levels of Rogue. Taken at first level, it grants some nice skill points and allows you to start with 10 (14) wisdom - you will probably not cast extended lvl 4 spells until demi anyways. One level of Rogue no matter where, it makes leveling easier due to the Tumble dump, last level at 40 for UMD dump (more effective than cross class UMD in LLs), and possibly Hide if you can manage it. Also note that 3 levels of Rogue give you Uncanny Dodge /and with large weapon you need every bit of defense you can get), some minor sneak damage and most importantly Evasion, making you virtually immune to most offensive damage spells and dragon breath.

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