Post by MightyKhan on May 3, 2009 10:22:42 GMT
hi, i am going to reincarnate a salamander STR AA into something using wemic, but im not quite sure what i want. on one hand, i would have it to be as sturdy as possible, but on the other hand, i like the huge damage output a dev crit AA brings
two build progressions come in mind:
9mnk/1wiz/30AA
and
10mnk/1wiz/29AA
the first has keened bows and an additional feat
the second has more parry and discipline (at the cost of concentration) and 1 more AC
while for dev crit, i could use as many feats as possible, i imagine it will also have less dex and could therefore need the additional point of AC, but on the other hand, is has a lot more strength, which would even up the discipline loss a bit...
because of the monk levels, dev crit only costs 4 feats (power attack, great cleave, overwhelming and devastating critical)
but the huge cost is in strength... which will cut in dex, wisdom and constitution, a lot
one thing i dont want to take is the self-conceal feats. instead, im going for a maxed hide skill, which should come pretty close to 127 with all of these...
1st build has keened bows and a decent AC, good AB, huge listen and blinding speed, but lowish discipline and parry (30 base, each)
2nd build has slightly better AC, same AB and listen, but higher discipline and parry (43 base each) and no blinding speed
3rd build has keened bows AND devastating critical, decent AB and nice listen, but lowest AC of the lot and only little better discipline than option 1
4th build has devastating critical, decent AB and listen, but slightly higher AC and discipline and parry scores
i really hope someone can help me choose. i think i would like playing build 3 best, because of the crits, but im not sure i want something that squishy...
heres the builds i thought of:
----------------------------------------------9mnk/1wiz/30AA
str 8 (12) [24]+7
dex 16 (22) [62]+26
con 14 (16) [28]+9
wis 16 (18) [30]+10
int 12 (12) [26]+8
cha 8 (4) [16]+3
8 monk, 1 wizard, 10 AA, 1 monk, 20 AA
feats in order (*bonus feat):
-blooded
-martial weapon proficiency
-weapon focus longbow
-point blank shot
-rapid shot
-blind fight
-improved critical longbow
-epic weapon focus longbow
-epic prowess
-epic fortitude
-epic will
-armor skin
-esf disc
-esf parry
-*great dexterity x4
-*blinding speed
-LSA tumble
-legendary weapon focus longbow
-LSF listen
-great dexterity x4
60 tumble
30 parry
63 listen
30 disc
63 craft armor
63 hide
some concentration
AB: 16+10+9+7+26+15+16-1=98
AC: 10+2+2+26+14+16+16+20+12+9+1-1=127
fort: 13+9+4+10+5+20=61
refl: 13+26+10+5+20=74
will: 11+10+4+10+5+20=60
----------------------------------------------10mnk/1wiz/29AA
str 8 (12) [24]+7
dex 16 (22) [62]+26
con 14 (16) [28]+9
wis 16 (18) [30]+10
int 12 (12) [26]+8
cha 8 (4) [16]+3
8 monk, 1 wizard, 10 AA, 1 monk, 19 AA, 1 monk
feats in order (*bonus feat):
-blooded
-martial weapon proficiency
-weapon focus longbow
-point blank shot
-rapid shot
-blind fight
-improved critical longbow
-epic weapon focus longbow
-epic prowess
-epic fortitude
-epic will
-armor skin
-esf disc
-esf parry
-*great dexterity x4
-LSA tumble
-legendary weapon focus longbow
-LSF listen
-great dexterity x4
60 tumble
43 parry
63 listen
43 disc
63 craft armor
63 hide
some concentration
AB: 16+10+9+7+26+15+16-1=98
AC: 10+2+2+26+14+16+16+20+12+9+2-1=128
fort: 13+9+4+10+5+20=61
refl: 13+26+10+5+20=74
will: 11+10+4+10+5+20=60
----------------------------------------------9mnk/1wiz/30AA dev crit
str 14 (18) [38]+14
dex 14 (20) [52]+21
con 12 (14) [26]+8
wis 14 (16) [28]+9
int 12 (12) [26]+8
cha 8 (4) [16]+3
8 in str, 12 in dex
8 monk, 1 wizard, 10 AA, 1 monk, 20 AA
feats in order (*bonus feat):
-blooded
-martial weapon proficiency
-weapon focus longbow
-point blank shot
-rapid shot
-blind fight
-improved critical longbow
-power attack
-great cleave
-epic fortitude
-epic will
-armor skin
-epic prowess
-epic weapon focus
-*great dexterity x3
-*overwhelming critical
-*devastating critical
-LSA tumble
-legendary weapon focus
-great dexterity x5
60 tumble
30 parry
63 listen
30 disc
63 craft armor
63 hide
some craft weapon
AB: 16+10+9+7+21+15+16+1-1=94
AC: 10+2+2+21+14+16+16+20+12+9+1-1=122
fort: 13+8+4+10+5+20=60
refl: 13+21+10+5+20=69
will: 11+9+4+10+5+20=59
----------------------------------------------10mnk/1wiz/29AA dev crit
str 14 (18) [38]+14
dex 14 (20) [52]+21
con 12 (14) [26]+8
wis 14 (16) [28]+9
int 12 (12) [26]+8
cha 8 (4) [16]+3
8 in str, 12 in dex
8 monk, 1 wizard, 10 AA, 1 monk, 19 AA, 1 monk
feats in order (*bonus feat):
-blooded
-martial weapon proficiency
-weapon focus longbow
-point blank shot
-rapid shot
-improved critical longbow
-power attack
-great cleave
-epic fortitude
-epic will
-armor skin
-epic prowess
-epic weapon focus
-overwhelming critical
-*great dexterity x3
-*devastating critical
-LSA tumble
-legendary weapon focus
-great dexterity x5
60 tumble
43 parry
63 listen
43 disc
63 craft armor
63 hide
some craft weapon
AB: 16+10+9+7+21+15+160-1=93
AC: 10+2+2+21+14+16+16+20+12+9+2-1=123
fort: 13+8+4+10+5+20=60
refl: 13+21+10+5+20=69
will: 11+9+4+10+5+20=59
two build progressions come in mind:
9mnk/1wiz/30AA
and
10mnk/1wiz/29AA
the first has keened bows and an additional feat
the second has more parry and discipline (at the cost of concentration) and 1 more AC
while for dev crit, i could use as many feats as possible, i imagine it will also have less dex and could therefore need the additional point of AC, but on the other hand, is has a lot more strength, which would even up the discipline loss a bit...
because of the monk levels, dev crit only costs 4 feats (power attack, great cleave, overwhelming and devastating critical)
but the huge cost is in strength... which will cut in dex, wisdom and constitution, a lot
one thing i dont want to take is the self-conceal feats. instead, im going for a maxed hide skill, which should come pretty close to 127 with all of these...
1st build has keened bows and a decent AC, good AB, huge listen and blinding speed, but lowish discipline and parry (30 base, each)
2nd build has slightly better AC, same AB and listen, but higher discipline and parry (43 base each) and no blinding speed
3rd build has keened bows AND devastating critical, decent AB and nice listen, but lowest AC of the lot and only little better discipline than option 1
4th build has devastating critical, decent AB and listen, but slightly higher AC and discipline and parry scores
i really hope someone can help me choose. i think i would like playing build 3 best, because of the crits, but im not sure i want something that squishy...
heres the builds i thought of:
----------------------------------------------9mnk/1wiz/30AA
str 8 (12) [24]+7
dex 16 (22) [62]+26
con 14 (16) [28]+9
wis 16 (18) [30]+10
int 12 (12) [26]+8
cha 8 (4) [16]+3
8 monk, 1 wizard, 10 AA, 1 monk, 20 AA
feats in order (*bonus feat):
-blooded
-martial weapon proficiency
-weapon focus longbow
-point blank shot
-rapid shot
-blind fight
-improved critical longbow
-epic weapon focus longbow
-epic prowess
-epic fortitude
-epic will
-armor skin
-esf disc
-esf parry
-*great dexterity x4
-*blinding speed
-LSA tumble
-legendary weapon focus longbow
-LSF listen
-great dexterity x4
60 tumble
30 parry
63 listen
30 disc
63 craft armor
63 hide
some concentration
AB: 16+10+9+7+26+15+16-1=98
AC: 10+2+2+26+14+16+16+20+12+9+1-1=127
fort: 13+9+4+10+5+20=61
refl: 13+26+10+5+20=74
will: 11+10+4+10+5+20=60
----------------------------------------------10mnk/1wiz/29AA
str 8 (12) [24]+7
dex 16 (22) [62]+26
con 14 (16) [28]+9
wis 16 (18) [30]+10
int 12 (12) [26]+8
cha 8 (4) [16]+3
8 monk, 1 wizard, 10 AA, 1 monk, 19 AA, 1 monk
feats in order (*bonus feat):
-blooded
-martial weapon proficiency
-weapon focus longbow
-point blank shot
-rapid shot
-blind fight
-improved critical longbow
-epic weapon focus longbow
-epic prowess
-epic fortitude
-epic will
-armor skin
-esf disc
-esf parry
-*great dexterity x4
-LSA tumble
-legendary weapon focus longbow
-LSF listen
-great dexterity x4
60 tumble
43 parry
63 listen
43 disc
63 craft armor
63 hide
some concentration
AB: 16+10+9+7+26+15+16-1=98
AC: 10+2+2+26+14+16+16+20+12+9+2-1=128
fort: 13+9+4+10+5+20=61
refl: 13+26+10+5+20=74
will: 11+10+4+10+5+20=60
----------------------------------------------9mnk/1wiz/30AA dev crit
str 14 (18) [38]+14
dex 14 (20) [52]+21
con 12 (14) [26]+8
wis 14 (16) [28]+9
int 12 (12) [26]+8
cha 8 (4) [16]+3
8 in str, 12 in dex
8 monk, 1 wizard, 10 AA, 1 monk, 20 AA
feats in order (*bonus feat):
-blooded
-martial weapon proficiency
-weapon focus longbow
-point blank shot
-rapid shot
-blind fight
-improved critical longbow
-power attack
-great cleave
-epic fortitude
-epic will
-armor skin
-epic prowess
-epic weapon focus
-*great dexterity x3
-*overwhelming critical
-*devastating critical
-LSA tumble
-legendary weapon focus
-great dexterity x5
60 tumble
30 parry
63 listen
30 disc
63 craft armor
63 hide
some craft weapon
AB: 16+10+9+7+21+15+16+1-1=94
AC: 10+2+2+21+14+16+16+20+12+9+1-1=122
fort: 13+8+4+10+5+20=60
refl: 13+21+10+5+20=69
will: 11+9+4+10+5+20=59
----------------------------------------------10mnk/1wiz/29AA dev crit
str 14 (18) [38]+14
dex 14 (20) [52]+21
con 12 (14) [26]+8
wis 14 (16) [28]+9
int 12 (12) [26]+8
cha 8 (4) [16]+3
8 in str, 12 in dex
8 monk, 1 wizard, 10 AA, 1 monk, 19 AA, 1 monk
feats in order (*bonus feat):
-blooded
-martial weapon proficiency
-weapon focus longbow
-point blank shot
-rapid shot
-improved critical longbow
-power attack
-great cleave
-epic fortitude
-epic will
-armor skin
-epic prowess
-epic weapon focus
-overwhelming critical
-*great dexterity x3
-*devastating critical
-LSA tumble
-legendary weapon focus
-great dexterity x5
60 tumble
43 parry
63 listen
43 disc
63 craft armor
63 hide
some craft weapon
AB: 16+10+9+7+21+15+160-1=93
AC: 10+2+2+21+14+16+16+20+12+9+2-1=123
fort: 13+8+4+10+5+20=60
refl: 13+21+10+5+20=69
will: 11+9+4+10+5+20=59