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Post by omino23 on Sept 5, 2007 6:24:58 GMT
"I know a bank where the wild thyme blows,
Where oxlips and the nodding violet grows,
Quite over-canopied with luscious woodbine,
With sweet musk-roses and with eglantine. "
A Midsummer Night’s Dream. Act ii. Scene.1
I submit for your approval Oberon:
Going for an unarmed assassin pixie but open to suggestions as to how to make him better. Kamas crossed my mind as did the new cep monk weps if small enough. Not sure about the saving throws and could perhaps use some advice how to pick them up. If this has been done before apologies. I was inspired by what looked like an unarmed monk assassin dev critting everything in sight. Blinding Speed is really really tempting to take as well after playing the Treant for so long.
STR: 8 (-2) 6
DEX: 18 (+2) 20
CON: 16 (-2) 14
WIS: 10 (+2) 12
INT: 10
CHA: 8 (+2) 10
Pixie: (Quick to Master, Low-light Vision, Dodge, Speaks Sylvan)
01: Monk(1): Luck of Heros, Toughness, {Cleave, Evasion, Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist}
02: Monk(2): {Deflect Arrows}
03: Monk(3): Weapon Finesse
04: Monk(4): DEX+1, (DEX=21)
05: Monk(5)
06: Monk(6): Weapon Focus: Unarmed, {Knockdown, Improved Knockdown}
07: Monk(7)
08: Monk(8): DEX+1, (DEX=22)
09: Monk(9): Iron Will, {Improved Evasion}
10: Monk(10)
11: Assassin(1)
12: Assassin(2): DEX+1, Improved Critical: Unarmed, {Uncanny Dodge I}, (DEX=23)
13: Assassin(3)
14: Assassin(4)
15: Assassin(5): Blind Fight
16: Assassin(6): DEX+1, (DEX=24)
17: Assassin(7)
18: Assassin(8): Great Fortitude
19: Assassin(9)
20: Assassin(10): DEX+1, (DEX=25)
21: Assassin(11): Great Dexterity I, (DEX=26)
22: Assassin(12)
23: Assassin(13)
24: Assassin(14): DEX+1, Great Dexterity II, Great Dexterity III, (DEX=29)
25: Assassin(15)
26: Assassin(16)
27: Assassin(17): Great Dexterity IV, (DEX=30)
28: Assassin(18): DEX+1, Great Dexterity V, (DEX=32)
29: Assassin(19)
30: Assassin(20): Great Dexterity VI, (DEX=33)
31: Assassin(21)
32: Assassin(22): DEX+1, Great Dexterity VII, (DEX=35)
33: Assassin(23): Great Dexterity VIII, (DEX=36)
34: Assassin(24)
35: Assassin(25)
36: Assassin(26): DEX+1, Great Dexterity IX, Great Dexterity X, (DEX=39)
37: Assassin(27)
38: Assassin(28)
39: Assassin(29): Epic Weapon Focus: Unarmed
40: Ranger(1): DEX+1, Favored Enemy: Outsiders, {Dual Wield}, (DEX=40)
LL Feats:
LL Luck
LL Fort
LL Will
Epic Prowess
LL Unarmed Strike
Self Conceal 1-2
Discipline 43(41), Hide 30(45), Move Silently 8(23), Parry 43(58), Set Trap 9(24), Tumble 40(55), UMD 42(42)
(from the excel program)
Hitpoints: 384
Skillpoints: 215
Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 25/24/40
Saving Throw bonuses: Mind Effects: +2, Traps: +2, Poison: +6
BAB: 24
AB (max, naked): 42 (melee), 39 (ranged)
AC (naked/mundane armor/shield only): 36/36
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Post by chainlink on Sept 5, 2007 8:01:44 GMT
With the crit chance on unarmed your Mortal Strike potential will be abysmal and you can't keen gloves. You really need to try and get a weapon with an 18-20 crit chance. Your ab will suck as you have no tier one classes pre-epic and self conceal II is not worth the effort, you need to take it to V or not at all.
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Post by omino23 on Sept 5, 2007 22:48:34 GMT
I was intrigued with the idea that as an Assassin with 10 monk lvls you can make your gloves to the dev crit thing. So if you need a minimum of 28 assassin for the dev crit item and 10 monk to use it on the gloves that leaves a grand total of 2 lvls to play with. Best choices that I can see is fighter/ranger but even still it is not going to pump the AB a whole lot. Is unarmed monk assassin just an impossible build? I could swear I saw an unarmed monk dev critting. I also messed this build up a little as the skills dont let you take self conceal but Assassin get 70% from the invis spell anyway. If the DM's went to the trouble of coding it so that you could assassin item dev crit with gloves than surely they tested for some kind of build that might be able to pull it off. Unless it is a sneaky trap to lure me into late nights of pondering mean pixies that punch.
If it is not possible to get the unarmed thing going I am thinking of going more ranger and dual wielding kamas. Anyone ever make a build that used throwing stars?
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Post by gruntgruntson on Sept 5, 2007 22:53:59 GMT
I also messed this build up a little as the skills dont let you take self conceal but Assassin get 70% from the invis spell anyway. 67%, with enough Hide skill, once the proposed updates land: If you're going DEX/robes, shouldn't be a problem. Make sure you pump Hide skill |
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Post by chainlink on Sept 6, 2007 8:17:16 GMT
I was intrigued with the idea that as an Assassin with 10 monk lvls you can make your gloves to the dev crit thing. So if you need a minimum of 28 assassin for the dev crit item and 10 monk to use it on the gloves that leaves a grand total of 2 lvls to play with. Best choices that I can see is fighter/ranger but even still it is not going to pump the AB a whole lot. Is unarmed monk assassin just an impossible build? I could swear I saw an unarmed monk dev critting. I also messed this build up a little as the skills dont let you take self conceal but Assassin get 70% from the invis spell anyway. If the DM's went to the trouble of coding it so that you could assassin item dev crit with gloves than surely they tested for some kind of build that might be able to pull it off. Unless it is a sneaky trap to lure me into late nights of pondering mean pixies that punch. If it is not possible to get the unarmed thing going I am thinking of going more ranger and dual wielding kamas. Anyone ever make a build that used throwing stars? If you're still wanting to go assassin kamas are not a good plan due to the crappy crit range and you can only get Mortal strike on your primary weapon so you're effectively just using the secondary as a below par shield, poking stick and primary weapon ab reducer. |
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Post by omino23 on Sept 6, 2007 22:03:14 GMT
yeah more and more I am thinking that this build might need to go back to the drawing board. The name and poem seems to be the only things he has going for him at the moment  |
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Post by Acaos on Sept 6, 2007 22:08:19 GMT
yeah more and more I am thinking that this build might need to go back to the drawing board. The name and poem seems to be the only things he has going for him at the moment Style over substance. It'll get you anywhere. ;D As for unarmed monks and mortal strike, we were aware of the awful crit range (even though we did give unarmed monk/assassins the benefit of Ki Critical for mortal strike only in an attempt to give them a bit of a boost - so you can hit 17-20 crit range for mortal strike purposes). But it's better to have the option and for all we know ingenious players might come up with a good or fun build. If not, we're always open to suggestions. Acaos |
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Post by unnone on Sept 12, 2007 15:50:47 GMT
Can you use the new overwhelming crit feat to get a 16-20 on mortal strike, or will that only apply to the 'real' crits, not dev crit chance checks?
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Post by gruntgruntson on Sept 12, 2007 16:37:23 GMT
Sounds to me as though Overwhelming should add to Mortal Strike range. Keen, WM powers and Improved Crit all affect it. Would like it to be confirmed/denied by people in a position to do so  |
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Post by Acaos on Sept 12, 2007 16:37:31 GMT
Can you use the new overwhelming crit feat to get a 16-20 on mortal strike, or will that only apply to the 'real' crits, not dev crit chance checks? Because unarmed assassins get Ki Critical for free effectively, not at this time (because for other people, Overwhelming Critical does not stack with Ki Critical). We could make it stack just for purposes of mortal strike, though. It might make the build a bit more viable, so definitely worth considering. Acaos |
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Post by shadowspawn on Sept 13, 2007 10:48:22 GMT
If you could take the self conceal feat(s), does it stack with the invis' conceal?
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Post by bort on Sept 13, 2007 11:37:43 GMT
If you could take the self conceal feat(s), does it stack with the invis' conceal? Conceals don't stack, highest applies. I really wouldn't advise taking SC on an assassin build (especially a dexer) as you need the feats for maxing your Dexterity, AB, saves, and possibly pumping skills (i.e. Epic Skill Focus Search/Disarm) if you go the rogue route and want to unlock/disarm. With a Dexer Assassin you should have little trouble getting decent conceal from maxing your hide skill (i'm levelling one atm, and the conceal was somewhere between 50-60% around level 50 (less vs blind fight mobs)). |
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