Post by Lastone Yusee [SL] on Jan 16, 2008 15:26:21 GMT
This is my first posted build - as I have no Hells experience, please give me your opinions on whether this character would:
- Be viable in the Hells
- Be a desired party member if played properly
(and whatever other feedback you may wish to provide - I expect I have included too much information, but I would like someone who is savvy with these computations to spot-check my numbers ).
So far I have leveled her to 30, and it's been quite enjoyable.
The Basic Concept:
To fully utilize the customizations of the Shadow Dancer class, combined with achieving the maximum number of (non-HS) attacks per round while maintaining reasonably good defensive abilities, along with a fairly sizable damage output due to the improved crit range and multiplier provided by WM levels. Also, this build has a large number of native immunities, which may allow broader range of gear selection. (not having much in the way of high-end gear, I am making a supposition here).
Observations:
At level 60, dual wielding Kamas, this character will have 9 attacks per round on the main hand (w/ Flurry), and 2 on the off hand. Crit range/mult is 16-20(x3) with Keen kamas. Shadow Evade will provide 60% (non-dispellable?) conceal, along with Etherealness for several rounds, an unlimited number of times per day. It will also provide 20/+15 soak and 14 Dodge AC, as well as 100% negative immunity, immunity to Necromancy spells and death magic in general.
Improved Whirlwind Attack will provide normal damage plus negative damage of 100+1d8 (/2 on successful save vs. DC55), as well as 6 points of STR damage - without regard to AB.
It will have the ability to inflict up to 5% Negative vuln on enemies in a Medium area of effect via Shadow Daze (DC55 @ 60), ignoring SR and also inducing a Confuse effect.
Shadow Decoy, Epic Dodge and Deflect Arrows help w/ defense, and Shadow Rift w/ offense, adding 1d6+50 negative dmg on hit, 5x per rest lasting 25 rounds per use.
PP, Tumble, Craft Weapon and Taunt (or Bluff) are all maxed.
Caveats:
On the downside, early leveling is a bit of an annoyance, since feat distribution requires that Weapon Finesse wait until lvl 15 to be taken, and AB is not stellar on store-bought Kamas (and none have Keen).
The build is typically Dex Tank-weak on Discipline, and since Parry is not a SD skill, Parry is a little low compared to some other Dex tanks - although above 100 w/ Epic Skill Focus: Parry and +50 from items/bard song.
So here goes :
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Base Race / Subrace Info:
Wraith (secret; changes Appearance)
(+6) Hide
(+6) Move Silently
Immune Sleep
Immune Death Magic
Aura of Courage (imm/Fear)
Perfect Health (imm/Poison & Disease)
Wraith (Human)
Immunities: (w/o Items)
- Native (Wraith): Death Magic, Poison, Disease, Fear, Sleep
- SD: Blindness (SD15), Death Magic (SD25), Nec Spells (SD30), Neg En 100% (SD35)
Shadow Evade:
40 (SD30) - 40% Conceal; 15/+8 Soak; 9 AC
60 (SD50) - 60% Conceal; 20/+15 Soak; 14 AC
Attack Progression (Hasted, w/o Flurry):
Main Hand (Dual-Wielding), including extra attack at SD50
- 40) 69/66/63/60/57/54/69 (67/64/61/58/55/52/67)
- 60) 92/89/86/83/80/77/92/92 (90/87/84/81/78/75/90/90)
Off Hand
- 40) 67/64
- 60) 90/87
Level 40 Stats:
414 HP (Base)
654 HP (Modified for +12 Con/items)
26 BAB
42 AB (Modified for base Dex + Feats)
69 AB (Modified for +12 Dex/items, Wp Enh+Buffs (+20), CftWpn)
31 AC (Base+Dex+Wis+Tumble)
43 AC (Modified for +12 Dex+Wis/items)
116 AC (Modified for Expertise + Armor(16)/Defl(16)/Nat(16)/Dodge(20))
Saves (Base):
22 Fortitude
36 Reflex
22 Will
Saves (Modified for feats, +items, +12 abilities)
48 Fortitude
62 Reflex
50 Will (+2 / Still Mind)
Level 60:
614 HP (Base)
854 HP (Modified for +12 Con/items)38 BAB+LBAB
64 AB (Modified for base Dex + Feats)
92 AB (Modified for +12 Dex/items, Wp Enh+Buffs (+20), CftWpn)
42 AC (Base+Dex+Wis+Tumble)
54 AC (Modified for +12 Dex+Wis/items)
133 AC (Modified for Expertise + Armor(16)/Defl(20)/Nat(18)/Dodge(20))
Saves (Base):
27 Fortitude
48 Reflex (+14 Dex)
27 Will
Saves (Modified for feats, +items, +12 abilities)
60 Fortitude
74 Reflex
62 Will (+2 / Still Mind)
Level and Feat Progression (all Stats = Dex)
***** YOU MUST FOLLOW THIS FEAT PROGRESSION (at least through lvl 13) in order to take Weapon Master to lvl 7 (for 6 base attacks per round and 1AB) *****
M(2)/SD(10)/WM(7)/M(1)
1 Dodge, Mobility
3 Expertise
6 Spring Attack
9 Weapon Focus: Kama
12 Whirlwind Attack
13 Weapon of Choice: Kama
15 Weapon Finesse
18 Improved Critical: Kama
SD(20)
21 Epic Weapon Focus: Kama
23 Epic Dodge
24 Two-Weapon Fighting
26 Improved Whirlwind Attack
27 Ambidexterity
29 Epic Skill Focus: Parry
30 Improved Two-Weapon Fighting
32 Epic Skill Focus: Discipline
33 Epic Prowess
35 DEX+1 (Epic Rflx trade)
36 Great Fortitude
38 DEX+1 (Epic Rflx trade)
39 Iron Will
LL - SD CC (20)
42 L Fort
45 LWF Kama
48 L Will
51 Great Dexterity
54 Great Dexterity
57 Great Dexterity
60 Great Dexterity
Skills Progression: (my apologies for the lengthy list, I didn't condense since the skill dist is a bit complex)
M 01: Discipline(4), Hide(4), Intimidate(2), Move Silently(4), Parry(4), Tumble(4), Save(4),
M 02: Discipline(1), Parry(1), Tumble(1), Save(8),
SD 03: Intimidate(1), Pick Pocket(6), Tumble(1), Save(8),
SD 04: Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(15),
SD 05: Intimidate(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(20),
SD 06: Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(27),
SD 07: Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(34),
SD 08: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(40),
SD 09: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(46),
SD 10: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(52),
SD 11: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(58),
SD 12: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(64),
WM 13: Discipline(11), Save(58),
WM 14: Discipline(1), Save(62),
WM 15: Discipline(1), Save(66),
WM 16: Discipline(1), Save(70),
WM 17: Discipline(1), Save(74),
WM 18: Discipline(1), Save(78),
WM 19: Discipline(1), Save(82),
M 20: Craft Armor(23), Craft Weapon(23), Discipline(1), Hide(6), Parry(18), Tumble(8), Save(10),
SD 21: Hide(3), Pick Pocket(5), Tumble(1), Save(10),
SD 22: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(5), Tumble(1), Save(12),
SD 23: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(18),
SD 24: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(24),
SD 25: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(30),
SD 26: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(36),
SD 27: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(42),
SD 28: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(48),
SD 29: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(54),
SD 30: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(60),
SD 31: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(66),
SD 32: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(72),
SD 33: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(78),
SD 34: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(84),
SD 35: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(90),
SD 36: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(96),
SD 37: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(102),
SD 38: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(108),
SD 39: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(114),
SD 40: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(120),
Final Skills (@60, Modified for Abilities, +12 abilities/items, feats):
20 Craft Armor (leftovers)
71 Craft Weapon
44 Discipline
87 Hide
71 Listen
87 Move Silently
65 Parry
87 Pick Pocket
68 Taunt
87 Tumble
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OK, sorry again for all the (probably extraneous) information. Please give me whatever guidance and wisdom you can as I only have significant experience in <40, Dachy, Ssiths, Desert and DB runs.
Thanks!!
1/17 - Edited formatting a bit, and corrected some text.
- Be viable in the Hells
- Be a desired party member if played properly
(and whatever other feedback you may wish to provide - I expect I have included too much information, but I would like someone who is savvy with these computations to spot-check my numbers ).
So far I have leveled her to 30, and it's been quite enjoyable.
The Basic Concept:
To fully utilize the customizations of the Shadow Dancer class, combined with achieving the maximum number of (non-HS) attacks per round while maintaining reasonably good defensive abilities, along with a fairly sizable damage output due to the improved crit range and multiplier provided by WM levels. Also, this build has a large number of native immunities, which may allow broader range of gear selection. (not having much in the way of high-end gear, I am making a supposition here).
Observations:
At level 60, dual wielding Kamas, this character will have 9 attacks per round on the main hand (w/ Flurry), and 2 on the off hand. Crit range/mult is 16-20(x3) with Keen kamas. Shadow Evade will provide 60% (non-dispellable?) conceal, along with Etherealness for several rounds, an unlimited number of times per day. It will also provide 20/+15 soak and 14 Dodge AC, as well as 100% negative immunity, immunity to Necromancy spells and death magic in general.
Improved Whirlwind Attack will provide normal damage plus negative damage of 100+1d8 (/2 on successful save vs. DC55), as well as 6 points of STR damage - without regard to AB.
It will have the ability to inflict up to 5% Negative vuln on enemies in a Medium area of effect via Shadow Daze (DC55 @ 60), ignoring SR and also inducing a Confuse effect.
Shadow Decoy, Epic Dodge and Deflect Arrows help w/ defense, and Shadow Rift w/ offense, adding 1d6+50 negative dmg on hit, 5x per rest lasting 25 rounds per use.
PP, Tumble, Craft Weapon and Taunt (or Bluff) are all maxed.
Caveats:
On the downside, early leveling is a bit of an annoyance, since feat distribution requires that Weapon Finesse wait until lvl 15 to be taken, and AB is not stellar on store-bought Kamas (and none have Keen).
The build is typically Dex Tank-weak on Discipline, and since Parry is not a SD skill, Parry is a little low compared to some other Dex tanks - although above 100 w/ Epic Skill Focus: Parry and +50 from items/bard song.
So here goes :
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Base Race / Subrace Info:
Wraith (secret; changes Appearance)
(+6) Hide
(+6) Move Silently
Immune Sleep
Immune Death Magic
Aura of Courage (imm/Fear)
Perfect Health (imm/Poison & Disease)
Wraith (Human)
Ability Scores: Str Dex Con Int Wis Cha | Creation 8 17 14 13 14 8 | Modified 5 20 14 14 14 8 | Lvl 40 5 32 14 14 14 8 | Lvl 60 5 46 14 14 14 8 | w/ Items 17 58 26 26 26 20 |
Immunities: (w/o Items)
- Native (Wraith): Death Magic, Poison, Disease, Fear, Sleep
- SD: Blindness (SD15), Death Magic (SD25), Nec Spells (SD30), Neg En 100% (SD35)
Shadow Evade:
40 (SD30) - 40% Conceal; 15/+8 Soak; 9 AC
60 (SD50) - 60% Conceal; 20/+15 Soak; 14 AC
Attack Progression (Hasted, w/o Flurry):
Main Hand (Dual-Wielding), including extra attack at SD50
- 40) 69/66/63/60/57/54/69 (67/64/61/58/55/52/67)
- 60) 92/89/86/83/80/77/92/92 (90/87/84/81/78/75/90/90)
Off Hand
- 40) 67/64
- 60) 90/87
Level 40 Stats:
414 HP (Base)
654 HP (Modified for +12 Con/items)
26 BAB
42 AB (Modified for base Dex + Feats)
69 AB (Modified for +12 Dex/items, Wp Enh+Buffs (+20), CftWpn)
31 AC (Base+Dex+Wis+Tumble)
43 AC (Modified for +12 Dex+Wis/items)
116 AC (Modified for Expertise + Armor(16)/Defl(16)/Nat(16)/Dodge(20))
Saves (Base):
22 Fortitude
36 Reflex
22 Will
Saves (Modified for feats, +items, +12 abilities)
48 Fortitude
62 Reflex
50 Will (+2 / Still Mind)
Level 60:
614 HP (Base)
854 HP (Modified for +12 Con/items)38 BAB+LBAB
64 AB (Modified for base Dex + Feats)
92 AB (Modified for +12 Dex/items, Wp Enh+Buffs (+20), CftWpn)
42 AC (Base+Dex+Wis+Tumble)
54 AC (Modified for +12 Dex+Wis/items)
133 AC (Modified for Expertise + Armor(16)/Defl(20)/Nat(18)/Dodge(20))
Saves (Base):
27 Fortitude
48 Reflex (+14 Dex)
27 Will
Saves (Modified for feats, +items, +12 abilities)
60 Fortitude
74 Reflex
62 Will (+2 / Still Mind)
Level and Feat Progression (all Stats = Dex)
***** YOU MUST FOLLOW THIS FEAT PROGRESSION (at least through lvl 13) in order to take Weapon Master to lvl 7 (for 6 base attacks per round and 1AB) *****
M(2)/SD(10)/WM(7)/M(1)
1 Dodge, Mobility
3 Expertise
6 Spring Attack
9 Weapon Focus: Kama
12 Whirlwind Attack
13 Weapon of Choice: Kama
15 Weapon Finesse
18 Improved Critical: Kama
SD(20)
21 Epic Weapon Focus: Kama
23 Epic Dodge
24 Two-Weapon Fighting
26 Improved Whirlwind Attack
27 Ambidexterity
29 Epic Skill Focus: Parry
30 Improved Two-Weapon Fighting
32 Epic Skill Focus: Discipline
33 Epic Prowess
35 DEX+1 (Epic Rflx trade)
36 Great Fortitude
38 DEX+1 (Epic Rflx trade)
39 Iron Will
LL - SD CC (20)
42 L Fort
45 LWF Kama
48 L Will
51 Great Dexterity
54 Great Dexterity
57 Great Dexterity
60 Great Dexterity
Skills Progression: (my apologies for the lengthy list, I didn't condense since the skill dist is a bit complex)
M 01: Discipline(4), Hide(4), Intimidate(2), Move Silently(4), Parry(4), Tumble(4), Save(4),
M 02: Discipline(1), Parry(1), Tumble(1), Save(8),
SD 03: Intimidate(1), Pick Pocket(6), Tumble(1), Save(8),
SD 04: Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(15),
SD 05: Intimidate(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(20),
SD 06: Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(27),
SD 07: Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(34),
SD 08: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(40),
SD 09: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(46),
SD 10: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(52),
SD 11: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(58),
SD 12: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(64),
WM 13: Discipline(11), Save(58),
WM 14: Discipline(1), Save(62),
WM 15: Discipline(1), Save(66),
WM 16: Discipline(1), Save(70),
WM 17: Discipline(1), Save(74),
WM 18: Discipline(1), Save(78),
WM 19: Discipline(1), Save(82),
M 20: Craft Armor(23), Craft Weapon(23), Discipline(1), Hide(6), Parry(18), Tumble(8), Save(10),
SD 21: Hide(3), Pick Pocket(5), Tumble(1), Save(10),
SD 22: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(5), Tumble(1), Save(12),
SD 23: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(18),
SD 24: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(24),
SD 25: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(30),
SD 26: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(36),
SD 27: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(42),
SD 28: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(48),
SD 29: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(54),
SD 30: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(60),
SD 31: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(66),
SD 32: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(72),
SD 33: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(78),
SD 34: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(84),
SD 35: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(90),
SD 36: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(96),
SD 37: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(102),
SD 38: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(108),
SD 39: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(114),
SD 40: Hide(1), Pick Pocket(1), Tumble(1), Save(120),
Final Skills (@60, Modified for Abilities, +12 abilities/items, feats):
20 Craft Armor (leftovers)
71 Craft Weapon
44 Discipline
87 Hide
71 Listen
87 Move Silently
65 Parry
87 Pick Pocket
68 Taunt
87 Tumble
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OK, sorry again for all the (probably extraneous) information. Please give me whatever guidance and wisdom you can as I only have significant experience in <40, Dachy, Ssiths, Desert and DB runs.
Thanks!!
1/17 - Edited formatting a bit, and corrected some text.