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Post by guiness92 on Dec 17, 2011 19:30:28 GMT
Ive been playing since 2007 and I have never even seen a bur book drop on a run. Granted I dont have the time to do as many hell runs as I would like, but I have done alot. Ive been waiting to reincarnate my sorc for over a year but am waiting for a decent bur subby to do it with, does this mean I would need 2 of them? If so thats a little insane. This server is very hard to make a good toon on, and the reincarnation is the only thing that gives me even the slightest hope to have a playable one in hells, and my sorc is close but needs a few tweeks that it seems Ill never be able to do, very frustrating
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Post by Torin on Dec 17, 2011 19:37:08 GMT
My hint: sell stuff in the market. get money. Do a !bazaar shout like ""bazaar LF Genie FT 1 Billion". Maybe you need more, maybe you are lucky. I got about 20 BUR subraces with that method.
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Post by guiness92 on Dec 17, 2011 20:01:11 GMT
good idea, although it masy take me just as long to get a billion gold lol, I only have like 320 mil right now.
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Post by Lythe Featherblade on Dec 19, 2011 5:32:50 GMT
I suppose in the spirit of exploration, instead of requiring a 2nd BUR book, when upgrading a subrace you could require a player to have every step between the level they are and the level they are upgrading to, and maybe cash or a questable item. So to go from Open to BUR, you'd have to have a sissy/dachy/uro blood, a UR book, a quest item, and be tagged for the subrace you want to go to.
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Post by pete on Dec 19, 2011 10:00:00 GMT
I think this will become alot more relevant when/if XR subs are added.
depending on the devs intended rate of growth
(lets be fair those who can get the XR books will likely be wanting then for toons that have had a huge amount of hours invested in them, rather than making new ones)
at the moment it does seem a bit harsh, people are saying buy or trade the books, but with the current drop rates im not parting with my books just in case i want to upgrade a toon or make a new account
not that im saying the system should change (i dont know if it should or not), just that its not that easy, and i doubt getting HC, radiance, rilmani or genie will be easy. as of posting this there are only 2 bur book in the markets (brownie and half eladrin).
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Post by shardelay on Dec 19, 2011 15:53:38 GMT
Getting the drop rate of bur books correct is the proper answer in my view. The pendulum has swung. It was broken before. In my view, the drop rate is too low now (but remember, while it may be too low now, it is healthier for the server than where it was).
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Post by magecat on Dec 20, 2011 13:22:02 GMT
I would say that this is a bit of a party line statement, given that you have two pages saying otherwise.
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Post by shardelay on Dec 20, 2011 14:02:39 GMT
I would say that this is a bit of a party line statement, given that you have two pages saying otherwise. That's not how i read the thread. I read this thread as an observation that considering the extremely rare drop rat of bur books, it's not reasonable to use 2 books up upgrade subs. Don't assume I'm using my party line to keep down the masses (I do that enough at work, this is my leisure time!) - in this case I agree that something has been nerfed to aggressively (it happens!) My point is that you can fix that via the symptom (removing the double book upgrade cost which serves a balance purpose), or fixing the cause (inordinately rare bur books drops now after a change that was attempting to address erroneously high drop rates). If you fix the symptom only, there are other problems (for example bur books would still be too rare for non-reinc toons). This is not a party line. This is my observation of (and agreement with the community on) the fact that BUR books are a bit TOO rare now. In fact, not only is this not a party line, but I would premise that my opinion is not shared by the entire "party". Pendulum left. Pendulum right. |
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Post by uncanny on Dec 20, 2011 15:54:13 GMT
I'd.. tend to agree with Shard here. Fixing the rate fixes the outer issue of excessive rarity; which in turn means it is still viable to upgrade but is a little more painful.
While the "issue" is more one that I have never understood - I just plain don't have spare races to do upgrades with, let alone give them away - it has become something that high time investors and low time investors alike are feeling badly burned by.
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Post by tomaan on Dec 20, 2011 16:05:54 GMT
Ive been playing since 2007 and I have never even seen a bur book drop on a run. Granted I dont have the time to do as many hell runs as I would like, but I have done alot. Ive been waiting to reincarnate my sorc for over a year but am waiting for a decent bur subby to do it with, does this mean I would need 2 of them? If so thats a little insane. This server is very hard to make a good toon on, and the reincarnation is the only thing that gives me even the slightest hope to have a playable one in hells, and my sorc is close but needs a few tweeks that it seems Ill never be able to do, very frustrating I honestly don't recall if I've ever gotten a BUR book in a loot split. I've seen them drop, but don't know that I've ever won a roll or chosen one over something else more valuable. I've acquired my BUR subbies in one of three ways: a) HG event/contest (best way to acquire imho) b) trade (either hellstone or ego item) c) purchase (used to be able to juggy and a few others for ~900m) If I had to choose, I'd say increase the drop rate to match other BUR drop rates (or to a higher BUR tier within the rate formula). I understand they should be "beyond ultra-rare", but don't think they should be any more rare than other high end items. |
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Post by Werehound Silverfang on Dec 20, 2011 23:19:21 GMT
If I had to choose, I'd say increase the drop rate to match other BUR drop rates (or to a higher BUR tier within the rate formula). I understand they should be "beyond ultra-rare", but don't think they should be any more rare than other high end items. They are just as hard to find as anything else. There are (iirc) a total of 137 BUR items, counting ALL of the books as 1 item. The chances of getting a BUR book is 1 in 137. The same as any 1 BUR item. The chances of getting any 1 specific subrace if a book is chosen is then 1 in 35. So, overall, the chances of a subrace book are the same for everything else, but the chances of getting the subrace you want are 1 in 4795. |
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Post by Raj on Dec 20, 2011 23:58:41 GMT
There might be something broken there because I see 20-50 burs/day and I saw all of them so many times that the lack of books is easy to notice.
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Post by Shakua on Dec 21, 2011 1:23:01 GMT
somebody might want check the code. book rate does not "feel" 1 in 137
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Post by shardelay on Dec 21, 2011 4:14:44 GMT
Assuming were's interpretation of the code is correct (and I see no reason to doubt it) I'd hypothesize that the feel Shak mentions (and I agree with) is because we think of each individual book as a separate item, where, in terms of the odds ALL books are like 1 item. How often do you see a VoV? Probably about as often as you see any of all the bur books together combined.
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Post by Shakua on Dec 21, 2011 4:52:08 GMT
I dont think thats the way its going. im more likely to see 3 vovs in one loot split. and maybe one book in 15 runs ( all hell and abyss). though iv not seen a book yet since i been playing again.
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