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Post by s0n0va on Mar 19, 2009 10:32:29 GMT
So I've no idea if this is even viable, but it looked alright on the test build. I only took it up to level 40, the rest is a guess. Seemed like the AC was a little low pre-immo 96ish as a rough guess. Thoughts are more than welcome!
Halfling - Kolyarut
M10/BG20/M10 - CC Monk
Base Sub @40 @60 w/Items
STR 12 17 32 32 44
DEX 15 20 20 30 42
CON 14 18 18 18 30
WIS 12 10 10 10 22
INT 14 16 16 16 28
CHA 6 6 6 6 18
@40 - Test chamber buffs, unarmed
Fort: 60
Ref: 56
Will: 55
AB: 66/63/60/57/54/51
AC: 62
1 Monk, Strong Soul
3 Weapon Focus (Unarmed Strike)
4 STR+1
6 Power Attack
8 STR+1
9 Great Cleave
10 Hide +5
11 Blackguard
12 STR+1, Improved Critical (Unarmed Strike)
15 Iron Will
16 STR+1
18 Blind Fight
21 Great Strength I
23 (B) Overwhelming Critical (Unarmed Strike)
24 Great Strength II
26 (B) Devistating Critical (Unarmed Strike)
27 Great Strength III
29 (B) Epic Fiendish Servant
30 Great Strength IV
31 Monk
33 Great Strength V
36 Great Strength VI
39 Great Strength VII
40 Tum+43,Disc+43,Conc+43,Lis+43,Parry +43,CA+37
41-60 ?? Guessin' here ??
Tum,Disc,Conc,Lis,Parry+20,CA+26
Stat Points: DEX(10)
Feats:
Armor Skin
Epic Prowess
Epic Weapon Focus (Unarmed Strike)
Legendary Hardened Soul
Legendary Will
Great Dexterity I
Great Dexterity II
*Edited for level progression & CC
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Post by Torin on Mar 19, 2009 10:46:21 GMT
- with 20/20 you CC would be Monk. Monk CC is very weak in my opinion. If you would take more BG levels than monk, your CC would be BG and you would get at least +4STR and CHA in LL levels.
- What is your levelprogression? Monk is only 3/4 BAB, so I asume that you take 8,9 or 10 levels BG Pre-epic. Maybe you want to splash in more BAB 1 class preepic (i.e 2 Fighter or 2 Paladin).
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Post by BigStick on Mar 19, 2009 14:11:15 GMT
He appears to be taking BG levels from 11-30 which makes it a CC BG. It doesn't look like the +4 STR & CHA were added in so that will help some with AB and saves.
I think that AC will be the biggest concern. Your Empty Body conceal will not last too long with only 20 monk levels and you haven't got it from anywhere else. If you add Hide you can get a better boost from any Mass Camo, but that's not always available.
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Post by Rain on Mar 19, 2009 14:48:51 GMT
If two classes tie for having the most, the class the character took first will be the control class. so Monk is the CC in this build.
U take blackguard as a second class, so i suppose u use it for save(dark blessing) and extra divine damage(divine might). if it's so, there's no need to get 20 BG lvls. u wonot actually get that nice bonus from 20 lvls, more sneak attack only i think. ur wisdom is too low to get any BG spells. charisma is too low for divine might/divine as well.
If you plan to go monk CC and splash BG, i'd personally suggest 35Monk/2Fighter/3BG. 3BG gets u divine might and dark blessing already. and take 4 lvls of BG+Fighter before lvl 20.
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Post by s0n0va on Mar 19, 2009 20:14:25 GMT
I guess I'm still unsure if the monk bonuses continue thru LLs or not. Mostly this was to be a uni type str monk build. BG I chose mostly on a whim, having a pet over pali, and low requirements. CoT needs a melee weapon focus & the build is already slim on feats. But thinking on it again, CoT would likely provide more feats in the end, even if the chosen melee weapon was never used.
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Post by Yomi on Mar 19, 2009 21:54:40 GMT
There is some discussion of CoT vs. Fighter in the thread for the Flying Fists build. That's a pure dex monk (completely different that your build), and uses HS to get 2 extra attacks a round. Fighter is likely the better long-term alternative because you can get Weapon Specialization (and if you do it right, Epic Weapon Spec also). It looks like Chain has a 36 Monk 2 BG 2 Fighter build posted, though it's a dexer. It's an interesting idea. Looking at my str monk (which went for high defense), you'll lose 4 AC from lost monk levels, 5 AC from less wisdom, and gain 5 AC from more dex. After demi I think you'll be fine, but like most strength monks it's going to be challenging pre-demi with a very low AC. Your Empty Body conceal isn't that good with only 20 monk levels so you can't really use that to help. I wonder with your 48 final str after double demi if your AB is going to be as high as you'd like. I seem to recall some reason why halfling was a bad idea on a monk, but I may be thinking of a kama monk. Human or Dwarf Zeny would seem a better race to use, wouldn't it? (Assuming all races are available) |
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Post by s0n0va on Mar 19, 2009 22:34:31 GMT
After poking through the sub-races, I think this build is a wash as a koly. I'll have to go find a Zenythri. I think halfling gets a less than 1d20 for an unarmed strike damage.
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Post by simpetar on Mar 20, 2009 12:05:29 GMT
Small monks get 2d6 instead of 1d20. IMHO your saves have potential to be ridiculously high, even without Hardened Soul; all monk saves go in the higher tier and with Dark Blessing they should be more than acceptable. Another thing is that even though monk AB is 3/4 progression, you still get 7 attacks per round (8 with furry) - the downside will be no bonuses from Craft Weapon, since it does not apply to unarmed combat. Watch out for kb... Both classes in this build can offer advantages if CC not to be overseen: at 20 monk you are immune to plethora of mind effects (confuse, stun, etc.) and in LLs will get 13 bonus damage. Your Empty Body will be short however and you can forget about stunning-KDing. BG offers divine might and irresistable damage and str/cha bonuses; to be somewhat effective you would have to take at least 21 lvls of BG (22 optimally for another bonus feat), which will lose you nifty monk mind immunity. Choices, choices...  cheers simpetar |
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Post by Yojimbo on Mar 20, 2009 18:12:05 GMT
to me you get just enough of the monkness with 12 levels so you can go 28 with blackguard which gets you all the BG bonous feats. This also would let you make him to be a smiter and have nice saves and nice extra damage with smiting. I will try and post a proposed build with the Zenythri using that mix and that would be a smiter. The issue is that you likely won't have the dex and/or wis to be robed so your AC will be a little on the squishy side. Still the idiea looks and sounds fun so I will post it for anyone to try out if they like when I get home to my spreadsheets and files where I have it mapped out. Got home found file made post it is linked below highergroundpoa.proboards3.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=builds&thread=13746 |
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