Charismatic Paladin - Pure 60

Talamanthalon
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Charismatic Paladin - Pure 60 Jan 31, 2010 19:28:49 GMT

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Post by Talamanthalon on Jan 31, 2010 19:28:49 GMT

Full Rapier Wit Paladin able to make PF kd checks

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Actual feats in yellow
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Half Elf
Pharlan

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str 9/15
dex 12
con 10
int 12
wis 11/15
cha 18/22

Level Breakdown:
1 Paladin
- Armor Proficiency (heavy)
- Armor Proficiency (light)
- Armor Proficiency (medium)
- Assist Other
- Blooded
- Command Targeter
- Divine Grace
- Divine Health
- Divine Might
- Great Strength I
- Great Strength II
- Hardiness vs. Enchantments
- Immunity To Sleep
- Lay on Hands
- Low-light Vision
- Mount Actions
- Partial Skill Affinity (Listen)
- Partial Skill Affinity (Search)
- Partial Skill Affinity (Spot)
- Shield Proficiency
- Weapon Proficiency (martial)
- Weapon Proficiency (simple)

2 Paladin
- Aura of Courage
- Smite Evil

3 Paladin
- Remove Disease
- Turn Undead
- Weapon Focus (rapier)

4 Paladin (Charisma +1) (cha 23)

5 Paladin
- Summon Mount

6 Paladin
- Power Attack

7 Paladin

8 Paladin (Charisma +1)(cha 24)

9 Paladin
- Rapier Wit

10 Paladin

11 Paladin

12 Paladin (Charisma +1) (cha 25)
- Divine Shield

13 Paladin

14 Paladin

15 Paladin
- Metamagic (Extend Spell)

16 Paladin (Charisma +1)(cha 26)

17 Paladin

18 Paladin
- Improved Critical (rapier)

19 Paladin

20 Paladin (Charisma +1)(cha 27)

21 Paladin
- Epic Character
- Epic Paladin
- Great Charisma I (cha 28)

22 Paladin

23 Paladin
- Epic Weapon Focus (rapier)

24 Paladin (Charisma +1)(cha 29)
- Great Charisma II (cha 30)

25 Paladin

26 Paladin
- Great Smiting I (str 16)

27 Paladin
- Great Charisma III (cha 31)

28 Paladin (Charisma +1)(cha 32)

29 Paladin
- Great Smiting II (str 17)

30 Paladin
- Great Charisma IV (cha 33)

31 Paladin

32 Paladin (Charisma +1)(cha 34)
- Great Smiting III (str 18)

33 Paladin
Discipline +36, Parry +36
- Great Charisma V (cha 35)

34 Paladin

35 Paladin
Discipline +2, Parry +2
- Great Smiting IV (str 19)

36 Paladin (Charisma +1)(cha 36)
Discipline +1, Parry +1
- Great Charisma VI (cha 37)

37 Paladin
Discipline +1, Parry +1

38 Paladin
Discipline +1, Parry +1
- Great Smiting V (str 20)

39 Paladin
Discipline +1, Parry +1
- Great Charisma VII (cha 38)

40 Paladin (Charisma +1) (cha 39)
Discipline +1, Parry +1

Legendary Feats
Stat Points +10 Cha (CHA 49)
Stat Points Free +4 CHA and Str LL with Paladin (CHA 53) (STR 24)
LSA Tumble
LSA Listen
Great CHA VIII (Cha 54)
Great CHA IX (CHA 55)
Great CHA X (CHA 56)
Power Critical
Armor Skin

Final Stats:
Base/Race/Levels/BonusPala/Greater/Smite/Items --- +14Item/Artie/Demix2
str 9/15/15/19/19/24/36 --- 38/40/42/44
dex 12/12/24
con 10/10/22
int 12/12/24
wis 11/15/27
cha 18/22/42/46/56/56/68 --- 70/72/74/76

Skills
Lvl 1: 2+1*4 = 12 points
Lvl 2-40=117 points
41=41 points (half elf) + 4 = 44 points
42-60= 2+1+1(halfelf)*18=72 points
Total = 245 = 3 almost 4 skills max

Max each Lvl:
Discipline
Parry

In Legendary Levels:
Listen (Max)
Tumble (40)

Rest of points:
Concentration

Final Max. AB - With Shield

98= 30 (L40) + 15 (LBAB) + 1 (WF) + 2 (EWF) + 30 (CHA70) + 20 buffs
99 = with artie
100 = demi x1
101 = demi x2

Final Max. AB - Duel Wielding (-4)
94
95
96
97

Saves:
Retarded

AC:
Need help calculating

Bonus Resists:
Aura of Glory: Adds 31% Positive Resists (Cha 72)
Divine Shield: Adds 31% Divine Resists (Cha 72)

Crit Immunity for Others:
Lay on Hands 60 rounds of critical immunity for another person

Last Edit: Feb 1, 2010 12:53:37 GMT by Talamanthalon

Talamanthalon
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Charismatic Paladin - Pure 60 Jan 31, 2010 19:29:35 GMT

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Post by Talamanthalon on Jan 31, 2010 19:29:35 GMT

Is not crit immune, posted this trying to get ideas on how to make it crit immune while going full CHA route. I'm assesing that the AB will be unusable if you don't go full CHA. With this build i'm estimating that you can Dual Wield Rapiers because of the bonus AC from Divine Shield, also able to bump additional physical immunities with Aura of Glory.

CHA bonus at 72 is 31, so Aura of Glory will add 15% physical immunities, with Heavy Armory and max parry hoping this helps with damage.

Divine shield should act like a +15 AC Shield +17 at demi x2

Questions are:
Parry crit reduction lowered because of heavy armor?
Tumble AC the same because of heavy armor?
Paladins end up with 4 attacks at lvl 60?
5 Attacks duel wielding?
Dual wielding double rapiers (medium) is at -4 or -2

Need some help with calculating armor class

Last Edit: Jan 31, 2010 20:05:06 GMT by Talamanthalon

bort
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Charismatic Paladin - Pure 60 Jan 31, 2010 22:41:06 GMT

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Post by bort on Jan 31, 2010 22:41:06 GMT

Parry is indeed reduced by armor check penalty. This affects critical hit reduction.

Tumble AC is based on actual ranks taken, not your actual score (otherwise i suspect some people would have ESF tumble and LSF tumble in their builds). 60 ranks in tumble = 12 ac (max possible) and that is unaffected by armor or shield wearing, but Tumble checks vs KD or attacks of opportunity *are* affected by armor check penalty.

Paladins are a 1/1 bab class, so they get 20 bab pre-epic if pure. You only need 16 bab pre-epic for 4 base attacks per round (5 including haste) so yes, paladins get 4 base attacks per round (or more in robes with a monk weapon and no shield).

7 attacks dual wielding. 4 base, +1 haste, +2 offhand.
Toyshop/Harper Scout boots would offer 1/2 extra attacks respectively and Uxan plate divine power would add another 1.

Dual wielding rapiers gives -4 ab to both attacks for a medium sized character with all the dualling feats, as your offhand weapon is not light.

Last Edit: Jan 31, 2010 22:45:17 GMT by bort

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Charismatic Paladin - Pure 60 Jan 31, 2010 22:48:00 GMT

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Post by bort on Jan 31, 2010 22:48:00 GMT

On re-reading i don't see Two-Weapon fighting, Ambidexterity or Improved Two-weapon fighting in your build?
Without any of those feats you get -6 to your mainhand ab and -10 to your offhand ab, and only 1 offhand attack instead of 2.

There are some nifty POM bracers with those feats on, but they require that your DEX is higher than your STR.

Last Edit: Jan 31, 2010 23:05:31 GMT by bort

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Charismatic Paladin - Pure 60 Jan 31, 2010 23:14:06 GMT

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Post by bort on Jan 31, 2010 23:14:06 GMT

ac:
10 base
3 dex mod (capped by both armor and shield)
20 dodge
17 natural (illithid/bur amulet)
17 deflection (bur/randomized ur)
8+18 heavy armor
3+14 shield
12 tumble
2 armor skin
=124

an asmo deflection artifact would get you +3 ac.
you don't quite have enough base str to use strongheart (need 28 base)- if you could that would get you another +3 ac.
if you could squeeze in craft armor, you could get +1-2 ac from that too.
girding would give +4
if you're dualling, swap the shield AC i listed with half your CHA mod.

Last Edit: Jan 31, 2010 23:22:29 GMT by bort

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Charismatic Paladin - Pure 60 Feb 2, 2010 3:36:43 GMT

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Post by tomaan on Feb 2, 2010 3:36:43 GMT

Jan 31, 2010 19:29:35 GMT Talamanthalon said:

Is not crit immune, posted this trying to get ideas on how to make it crit immune while going full CHA route. I'm assesing that the AB will be unusable if you don't go full CHA. With this build i'm estimating that you can Dual Wield Rapiers because of the bonus AC from Divine Shield, also able to bump additional physical immunities with Aura of Glory.

CHA bonus at 72 is 31, so Aura of Glory will add 15% physical immunities, with Heavy Armory and max parry hoping this helps with damage.

Divine shield should act like a +15 AC Shield +17 at demi x2

Questions are:
Parry crit reduction lowered because of heavy armor?
Tumble AC the same because of heavy armor?
Paladins end up with 4 attacks at lvl 60?
5 Attacks duel wielding?
Dual wielding double rapiers (medium) is at -4 or -2

Need some help with calculating armor class

I would forget about dual-weilding if I were you. As mentioned, without the feats (you can't even get them all because your dex is too low) you take a major AB hit and you lose an off-hand attack.

I made a dual-weilding BG that is charisma-based, and I'm finding the lack of crit immunity to be so severe that I had to switch him to medium armor and load up on parry-boosting gear. Even still, he's not a front-line tank. You have to attack from the fringes or take out MOBs that break through to your casters.

That said, he is an offensive juggernaut - metaphorically not subracially. The only MOBS that give him trouble are the handful that are both crit AND sneak immue

I haven't taken him to hell yet, but don't even know if I will, may have to reincarnate him into a str-based BG.

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Charismatic Paladin - Pure 60

Post by Talamanthalon on Jan 31, 2010 19:28:49 GMT

Post by Talamanthalon on Jan 31, 2010 19:29:35 GMT

Post by bort on Jan 31, 2010 22:41:06 GMT

Post by bort on Jan 31, 2010 22:48:00 GMT

Post by bort on Jan 31, 2010 23:14:06 GMT

Post by bort on Jan 31, 2010 23:45:33 GMT

Post by StrykerOfChaos on Feb 1, 2010 0:11:23 GMT

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Post by tomaan on Feb 2, 2010 3:36:43 GMT