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Post by Tonkers on Oct 1, 2007 20:11:03 GMT
Due to alot of updates i decided my Str ranger duel weild at the time was going no where even tho i had reinc'd her loads so i decided to do this build which has worked out very nicely .... 38 Ranger 1 Bard 1 AA I used Half Celestial Elf based but you can use Fallen angel or kenku anything wih added wisdom Half celestial has +6 wisdom and cha+4 Str 10 [10] Dex 13 [13] Con 14 [14] Wis 15 [21] Int 13 [13] Cha 9 [13] Loh Wep Focus LongBow Point Blank Shot Zen archery Called Shot ( this will be added for the ranger archers soon) Lightening Reflex BlindFight Extend Spell Improved Critical Longbow Bane of Enemies (take at lvl 21 ranger0 Great Wisdom 1-5 Epic Wep Focus Longbow Epic Prowess Epic Reflex Armour Skin Epic Toughness 1-3 Favoured Enemys taken were Vermin Undead Aberrations Animals Outsiders Dragons Elementals Constructs Monstrous Humanoids Legendary Levels LL reflex LL luck Lsf Hide LL wep Focus Longbow Max out Skill Points in Animal Emp Concentration Discipline Hide Parry Tumble and umd Some may ask why i didnt take Rapid shot well i have a rapid shot pandect i guess thats the easy way but you can fit it into the build at a sacrifice of another feat but its up to you. She has done well on a tia run a few times and is excellant on rona runs this build will basically do well anywhere with its fav enemys plus being in the back shooting does some nice dmg Here is a screenie of mine at level 60  |
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Post by the1kobra on Oct 1, 2007 20:22:19 GMT
Funny, i'm actually making a very similar character but with dopple. I really would make a few changes though...
Starting stats: 8/14/14/16(22)/14/8(12)
Drop the epic toughness feats for more favored enemies, and youll want to make sure you get bane, EWF, and EP on ranger bonus feats. I also with mine decided not to get luck/Loh in favor of blooded/LSA tumble. I also dropped blind fight and put in ESF listen, the whole point of a wisdom archer is to get that listen insanely high. I have actually seen the results from my Wis AA monk based, you actually can get about 7-9% off conceal from PFs and the like.
T1K
If you want me to post my build, just say so.
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Post by gruntgruntson on Oct 1, 2007 20:31:19 GMT
What kind of defence will this build have?
Rangers get Camo, but with no DEX AC, no armour AC, and just Parry skill to protect vs crits, is it survivable?
I know (from long experience of AAs) that the point is not to be close to foes, but sometimes it is unavoidable. Blooded (tumble) will help to some degree, but will it be enough?
Additon:
Would Erinyes help, giving lots of feats, maybe freeing some up for more GRT WIS?
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Post by Tonkers on Oct 1, 2007 20:31:45 GMT
i did get bane and ewf and ep lol i choose not to go for more enemys as those are mainly the fav enemys i did choose i would mainly be coming across , why pick elfs i wont be spending alot of time in lolth or lizard humanoids? i wont be spending alot of time in sisth it is generally up to whoever does a ranger to chose whatever suits them and the areas they will generally be around alot for their fav enemys . I agree with blind fight and listen but there is not really alot of skill points and chose to put alot into hide as it stacks with the rangers conceal seeing as conceal is a big thing in hells and rona runs which i do alot of. Added: erinyes would be a nice choice but instead of adding into dex its all wis  |
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Post by Tonkers on Oct 1, 2007 20:35:43 GMT
survivability in areas like rona is very nice indeed buffed up with ranger spells plus bard song i could actually stand in a crowd of pharlans and shoot them of course whilst getting electric vulns you may get caught flatfooted restoring or healing at times but survived better than a dexer and str tank Hells a different matter if up close then critted alot but then best to know where to position and stay and shoot plus you will have gs scrolls on hands to help parties if a near wipe plus also rangers buffs really do help them alot with mini shunt mass camo and endure they really are a mini force to reckon with |
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Post by the1kobra on Oct 1, 2007 20:54:48 GMT
Thats odd about the survivability, my Monk wis AA gets a 130 AC with only URs, and the ranger version should only have 1 lower in the same gear, making it 129 (using dopple). If you need to dual wield in a real pinch you can add 14 AC making it shoot to 143, but AC shouldn't be a problem since you get wis AC in light armor and its not capped unlike going with dexer. If I get 3 pieces of BUR equipment, I can raise it to 132, and with an arty I get 133, which is definitely doable.
As for skills, mine gets 5, you can get 6 with a 14 INT
Mine gets: Parry, Disc, Tumble, Listen, Hide. But my monk AA has very nice survivability in hells and the ranger version should not be that much different, especially with all the boosts they are getting.
As for favored enemies, you really want every one you can get. You get 8+2d6 damage against them, (comes out to 10-20), can called shot them, and get 2 bonus to hit. Theres really no reason not to get them, 11 FEs are better than 8.
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Post by Tonkers on Oct 1, 2007 21:22:52 GMT
am no wearing bur gear kobold and not alot of ur gear most is rona gear for the the niceness of them for rangers anyways and a few urs here and there yes she is wearing ligh armour as robes drop her ac to 96 which is awful But at the moment i like how she is if ppl which to change to suit their needs then entirely up to you if she doesnt do well in further hells which i have yet to see then she will be my ranger of the rona's  |
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Post by starlandra on Oct 1, 2007 23:21:40 GMT
boo on ditching your str ranger... I love mine, but I did also make this exact build but used both wis and dex. at level 55 her ac with bow is 124 and with rapiers is 138.
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Post by lala on Oct 2, 2007 0:47:11 GMT
Funny, i'm actually making a very similar character but with dopple. I really would make a few changes though... Starting stats: 8/14/14/16(22)/14/8(12) Drop the epic toughness feats for more favored enemies, and youll want to make sure you get bane, EWF, and EP on ranger bonus feats. I also with mine decided not to get luck/Loh in favor of blooded/LSA tumble. I also dropped blind fight and put in ESF listen, the whole point of a wisdom archer is to get that listen insanely high. I have actually seen the results from my Wis AA monk based, you actually can get about 7-9% off conceal from PFs and the like. T1K If you want me to post my build, just say so. Warning to all, Funky mentions this about Blindfight in another build: Listen only provides the offensive benefits of blind fighting, not the defensive, as well.
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Post by the1kobra on Oct 2, 2007 2:12:42 GMT
Funny, i'm actually making a very similar character but with dopple. I really would make a few changes though... Starting stats: 8/14/14/16(22)/14/8(12) Drop the epic toughness feats for more favored enemies, and youll want to make sure you get bane, EWF, and EP on ranger bonus feats. I also with mine decided not to get luck/Loh in favor of blooded/LSA tumble. I also dropped blind fight and put in ESF listen, the whole point of a wisdom archer is to get that listen insanely high. I have actually seen the results from my Wis AA monk based, you actually can get about 7-9% off conceal from PFs and the like. T1K If you want me to post my build, just say so. Warning to all, Funky mentions this about Blindfight in another build: Listen only provides the offensive benefits of blind fighting, not the defensive, as well.
FunkyI'm well aware of that. Not taking blind fight only means you have to play smarter or set yourself up better. The only places I have ever had significant blinding trouble is in ssith and in the pyramid, and even so, all it means is you have to keep pearls at the ready in case of blindness. I have not had a significant blind problem in hells and in the case of a similar AA, if a PF gets close to you you're probably going to have worse things than blindness to worry about. It's definitely doable, you just have to be smart about it. |
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Post by Tonkers on Jan 8, 2008 8:59:03 GMT
Well this build has now made demi and is now retagged at cania ready for round 2 of demi , she has surprised me on survivability in the deeper hell runs and the called shot has been very nice once a bard has sung due to the dc of certain mobs being very high.
Will post an updated screenie of her now at demi stats plus gear wise too.
If i was to change anything to the build would be to try this build as erinyes and maybe add more dex as noted before by others but i think my preference will always be a zen ranger from now on been a very enjoyable build for me.
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Post by bort on Jan 8, 2008 18:52:10 GMT
Looks cool... I'm very tempted to make a dopple version of this, would be good to finally use the sub Kobra, would you mind posting your version please? I'd be interested to see the differences in your build, especially as i'd be using the same race you used. Cheers, -Bort |
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Post by tarrin on Jan 12, 2008 15:30:03 GMT
I know you asked for Kobra's version, but thought I'd leap ahead and show you mine: Erinyes - (Elf Dex +2, Con -2) Dex +6, Wis +4, Con +2, Cha -2 Free feats: Point Blank shot, Rapid Shot, Weapon Focus Longbow, Epic Weapon Focus Longbow Able to walk on quicksand Starting stats: (60) STR - 8 (8) DEX - 20 (20) CON - 14 (18) WIS - 22 (50) INT - 12 (12) CHA - 6 (6) Wiz at 24 AA at 25 Pre Epic - Blooded - for LSA Tumble Toughness Zen Archery Imp. Critical Longbow Lightning Reflexes Blind Fight Called Shot Great Fortitude Epic - Armour Skin Great Wisdom 1-5 Ranger Bonus feats - Epic Prowess Bane of Enemies Favoured Enemies: Outsiders Abberations Undead Elementals Reptilian Humanoids Animals Dragons Constructs Monstrous Humanoids Humans Vermin Legendary Level Feats: 42 LSA Tumble 45 Legendary Fortitude 48 Legendary Reflexes 51 Legendary Weapon Focus Longbow 54 Great Wisdom 6 57 Great Wisdom 7 60 Great Wisdom 8 Skill points: Max Animal Empathy, Discipline, Hide and Parry, and Tumble in LL 50 base wis, = 131 ac, 95 ab 66 fort, 61 reflex, 67 will 1102 HP Called shot DC at 60 = 58 The main differences were that I used Erinyes and took a wiz level rather then bard - meaning no need to waste points into UMD. I use the wizard staff for Epic Warding occasionally when I'm bored. AC is 131 in URs. She's tagged to Phleg atm, and I really love playing her (especially the joy of called shot). I could have got more conceal, but with the ac i felt it wasn't completely necessary. The first version I built of her used Kenku (can post a screenie if needed), only remade it to get the extra 5 AC from a higher dex bonus. It did look much nicer though. I didn't take extend spell or anything, conceal lasts about 30-40 mins. Polymorph Troll (which gives you regen equal to your wis mod) only lasts about 15 mins iirc, but that can be recast - with ur ranger leather and being Wis based you should have all the spell slots you need. I read the Trans book at 41 to be able to cast bladethirst on anyone that needed it, if no better gmw was available. Here are the screenies:   |
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Post by the1kobra on Jan 12, 2008 17:00:19 GMT
I can't find my building notes for this, but oh well. I'll try to slap this together, but I can't exactly remember where everything is.
AAaaaanyway....
1/2 elf doppel:
Starting stats:
9/14/14/12/17/8 (Base)
7/14/16/12/22/6 (Doppel)
Progression: 38 ranger, 1 bard, 1 AA (can take AA level earlier with little change to the build, can also take wiz instead of bard)
Feats: (Pre epics)
1: Blooded
3: Zen Archery
6: Weapon Focus Longbow
9: Pt Blank Shot
12: Toughness
15: Rapid Shot
18: Lightning Reflexes
5 Favored Enemies.
Epic Feats:
21: Armor Skin
24: Epic Focus Listen
27: Blind Fight*
30: Called Shot*
33: G-Wis 1
36: G-Wis 2
39: G-Wis 3
Ranger Bonus Feats: (In ranger levels)
23: FE
25: FE
26: FE
29: FE
30: FE
32: FE
35: Epic Focus Longbow, Bane of Enemies
38: Epic Prowess
Lenegdaries:
42: LSA Tumble
45: LWF Longbow
48: Legendary Reflexes
51: G-Wis 4
54: G-Wis 5
57: G-Wis 6
60: Legendary focus Listen.
*If you use the accuracy without sight pendact, you can take G-Wisdoms instead of those, but means you're without either until you hit minauros, ouch.
I *think* this was the build, I'll come back when I find all my notes.
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Post by ruddigore on Jan 14, 2008 16:25:57 GMT
Why Bard instead of Wizard for your AA splash class? Wizard allows you to take the Int to get more skills points, and Wiz will allow you to use GS scrolls. I see that's what Tarrin did, but no one has responded to the post explaining the Bard motivation.
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