Post by shardelay on Apr 26, 2010 17:05:32 GMT
My 2nd real toon on HG, broken and busted and waiting for nessus for 2 years in an ill-approved of and overly large Tony the Tiger lycan form finally demi'd (Thanks for putting up wiht him!) Time for a facelift (finally).
He's a pure rogue and a pure rogue he will stay. Why be a pure rogue if not for the sneaks, so... sneaking to the max is where this goes. Hat's off to T1K for the orginal sneak xbow rogue idea. Here's my updated bur version.
The One Eighty (named for his sneak potential of 30d6)
I wanted a pure rogue sneaker and as t1k has proved in action, crossbows are a fantastic way to get lots of attacks at a high ab and stay safely in sneak attack (w/out getting overly clobbered). Relatively simple idea here, maximize sneaks. His ab is high enough that he can swap into a sling and shield combo in a pinch or vs pierce immune mobs also. Weapon Finesse also let's you swap to a melee weapon like a handaxe + shield for viable AB and great AC and a slashing weapon choice.
Here goes.
Final build in +14 gear:
AB 100, 102 with double demi + 1for pbs and +2 for flanking frequently when ranged = 105. With a sling this drops by 7 to 95/98. With a handaxe thsi drops to 95.
AC 120 pre demi with w/out gird. Post demi it's 125 (117 with gird). - 145 with sling and shield and girding
hp: My spreadsheet stinks at calc'ing hp. 1000ish
saves with 2x demi
Fort: 66
Reflex: 70
Will: 63
abilities with double demi:
Str: 32
Dex: 68 (with arti)
Con: 36
Int: 30
Wisdom: 24
Cha: 24
Using a light crossbow
Pro's: .
- good ab
- Max listen for conceal penetration
- 30d6 sneaks
- pure rogue benefits (no skill penalties, full locks/searches, sneaks on sneak immune, etc...)
- UMD for gs/mord/etc...
Con's:
- a carpet tank - no ac when using xbow and no saves. Use your sneak range to not get hit and definately use dim mak roves
Here goes:
Race: elf
Subrace: half-fiend
Creation screen stats:
Str: 14
Dex: 18
Con: 14
Wis: 8
Int: 12 (needs to be 14 at single demi, can be 10 at double)
Cha: 8
Subrace mod'd starting stats:
Str: 14
Dex: 24
Con: 18
Wis: 6
Int: 16
Cha: 6
Lvl 1-40 Rogue
Abilities:
dexevery level
Feats:
1) Strong Soul
3) Point Blank Shot
6) Weapon Focus
9) Greater Weapon Focus
10) Crippling Strike
12) Improved Crit
15) Weapon Finesse
16) Defensive Roll
18) Shield Proficiency
19) Opportunist
21) Improved Sneak Attack 1
24) Improved Sneak Attack 2 / Epic Weapon Focus
27) Improved Sneak Attack 3
28) Improved Sneak Attack 4
30) Epic Prowess
33) Improved Sneak Attack 5
36) Improved Sneak Attack 6 / Slippery Mind
39) Improved Sneak Attack 7
40) Epic Dodge
skills:
Max OL, DT, Search, Tumble, Listen, Parry, CW, Hide, PP, UMD
Take Set Trap to 5
Legendary Abilities:
All dex
Legendary Feats:
Legendary Weapon Focus
Improved Sneak Attack 8
Improved Sneak Attack 9
Improved Sneak Attack 10
Iron Will
Legendary Will
Legendary Hardened Soul
Legendary Skills:
Tumble to 60
Max OL, DT, Search, Listen, Parry, CW, Hide, PP, UMD.
Max Disc cross class to 31
conc dump
leaves like 8 pts left for whatever, appraise
Tome:
Pandect: Rapid shot/rapid reload (W/out the pandect you can drop 1 feat to take this, or you can take it in place of point blank shot. Currently the Uro adn Beholder light crossbows get point blank shot for free, but I dont like relying upon those for the PBS feat). Also, I believe i could have used sneak pandect for 2 imp sneak, taken rapid reload as a feat and then taken rapid shot for the sling. Same net.
Arti: I used dex
There were a few different choices on thsi build. If I went with koly and no imp sneaks, I could get +17str mod for max mighty and get OC/DC. You could also take self conceal in place of sneaks. Another viable option that I ALMOST took was using the sneak feats to add WF/GWF/EWF/LWF sling and shield pandect to add another 100ish ab weapon (bludge and a shield for defense). I've gone back and forth a great deal with these choices and in the end I went the sneak route. Min/Max.
Note, I built this as a reinc, so with single demi iteration you need 2 more int to get your locks/searches to 127 w/out feats. With double demi you can drop this int again. This obviously gets you more/extra/fewer skills and costs you str/dex/con as you choose. Also note, you get racial bonus to search as an elf and a synergy bonus to DT from Set trap to further help 127.
He's a pure rogue and a pure rogue he will stay. Why be a pure rogue if not for the sneaks, so... sneaking to the max is where this goes. Hat's off to T1K for the orginal sneak xbow rogue idea. Here's my updated bur version.
The One Eighty (named for his sneak potential of 30d6)
I wanted a pure rogue sneaker and as t1k has proved in action, crossbows are a fantastic way to get lots of attacks at a high ab and stay safely in sneak attack (w/out getting overly clobbered). Relatively simple idea here, maximize sneaks. His ab is high enough that he can swap into a sling and shield combo in a pinch or vs pierce immune mobs also. Weapon Finesse also let's you swap to a melee weapon like a handaxe + shield for viable AB and great AC and a slashing weapon choice.
Here goes.
Final build in +14 gear:
AB 100, 102 with double demi + 1for pbs and +2 for flanking frequently when ranged = 105. With a sling this drops by 7 to 95/98. With a handaxe thsi drops to 95.
AC 120 pre demi with w/out gird. Post demi it's 125 (117 with gird). - 145 with sling and shield and girding
hp: My spreadsheet stinks at calc'ing hp. 1000ish
saves with 2x demi
Fort: 66
Reflex: 70
Will: 63
abilities with double demi:
Str: 32
Dex: 68 (with arti)
Con: 36
Int: 30
Wisdom: 24
Cha: 24
Using a light crossbow
Pro's: .
- good ab
- Max listen for conceal penetration
- 30d6 sneaks
- pure rogue benefits (no skill penalties, full locks/searches, sneaks on sneak immune, etc...)
- UMD for gs/mord/etc...
Con's:
- a carpet tank - no ac when using xbow and no saves. Use your sneak range to not get hit and definately use dim mak roves
Here goes:
Race: elf
Subrace: half-fiend
Creation screen stats:
Str: 14
Dex: 18
Con: 14
Wis: 8
Int: 12 (needs to be 14 at single demi, can be 10 at double)
Cha: 8
Subrace mod'd starting stats:
Str: 14
Dex: 24
Con: 18
Wis: 6
Int: 16
Cha: 6
Lvl 1-40 Rogue
Abilities:
dexevery level
Feats:
1) Strong Soul
3) Point Blank Shot
6) Weapon Focus
9) Greater Weapon Focus
10) Crippling Strike
12) Improved Crit
15) Weapon Finesse
16) Defensive Roll
18) Shield Proficiency
19) Opportunist
21) Improved Sneak Attack 1
24) Improved Sneak Attack 2 / Epic Weapon Focus
27) Improved Sneak Attack 3
28) Improved Sneak Attack 4
30) Epic Prowess
33) Improved Sneak Attack 5
36) Improved Sneak Attack 6 / Slippery Mind
39) Improved Sneak Attack 7
40) Epic Dodge
skills:
Max OL, DT, Search, Tumble, Listen, Parry, CW, Hide, PP, UMD
Take Set Trap to 5
Legendary Abilities:
All dex
Legendary Feats:
Legendary Weapon Focus
Improved Sneak Attack 8
Improved Sneak Attack 9
Improved Sneak Attack 10
Iron Will
Legendary Will
Legendary Hardened Soul
Legendary Skills:
Tumble to 60
Max OL, DT, Search, Listen, Parry, CW, Hide, PP, UMD.
Max Disc cross class to 31
conc dump
leaves like 8 pts left for whatever, appraise
Tome:
Pandect: Rapid shot/rapid reload (W/out the pandect you can drop 1 feat to take this, or you can take it in place of point blank shot. Currently the Uro adn Beholder light crossbows get point blank shot for free, but I dont like relying upon those for the PBS feat). Also, I believe i could have used sneak pandect for 2 imp sneak, taken rapid reload as a feat and then taken rapid shot for the sling. Same net.
Arti: I used dex
There were a few different choices on thsi build. If I went with koly and no imp sneaks, I could get +17str mod for max mighty and get OC/DC. You could also take self conceal in place of sneaks. Another viable option that I ALMOST took was using the sneak feats to add WF/GWF/EWF/LWF sling and shield pandect to add another 100ish ab weapon (bludge and a shield for defense). I've gone back and forth a great deal with these choices and in the end I went the sneak route. Min/Max.
Note, I built this as a reinc, so with single demi iteration you need 2 more int to get your locks/searches to 127 w/out feats. With double demi you can drop this int again. This obviously gets you more/extra/fewer skills and costs you str/dex/con as you choose. Also note, you get racial bonus to search as an elf and a synergy bonus to DT from Set trap to further help 127.