|
|
Post by Oberu on Jul 13, 2008 19:40:01 GMT
 I don't post much, infact this is my first toon posted. I'd love any feedback you can think of but constructive. Hope you enjoy! Elf: Half – Half-Kyton (1 Wiz/9AA/30SD) Str 10 10 10 22 Dex 20 24 42 66 Con 12 16 16 28 Wis 8 12 12 24 Int 14 14 14 26 Cha 8 8 8 20 Skills: Tumble, Search, Listen, Lore, Craft Armor, Craft Weapon, Cross Class: Parry Progression: 1 Wiz, 9 SD, 9 AA, 21 SD Wiz: 1 Luck of Heroes, Hide +2 SD: 2 SD: 3 Weapon Focus Longbow SD: 4 Dexterity 25 SD: 5 SD: 6 Point blank shot SD: 7 SD: 8 Dexterity 26 SD: 9 Great Fortitude SD: 10 AA: 11 AA: 12 Dexterity 27, Improved Critical AA: 13 AA: 14 AA: 15 Weapon Finesse AA: 16 Dexterity 28 AA: 17 AA: 18 Iron Will AA: 19 SD: 20 Dexterity 29 SD: 21 Weapon focus (finesse able) SD: 22 SD: 23 Great Dexterity 1 30 SD: 24 Dexterity 31, Epic weapon focus SD: 25 SD: 26 Great Dexterity 2 32 SD: 27 Epic weapon focus Bow SD: 28 Dexterity 33 SD: 29 Great dexterity 3 34 SD: 30 Epic prowess SD: 31 SD: 32 Dexterity 35, Great dexterity 4 36 SD: 33 Great dexterity 5 37 SD: 34 SD: 35 Great dexterity 6 38 SD: 36 Dexterity 39, Great dexterity 7 40 SD: 37 SD: 38 Great dexterity 8 41 SD: 39 Armor Skin SD: 40 Dexterity 42 -----------------Legendary Levels----------------- 42: Dexterity 43, Legendary Luck 44: Dexterity 44 45: Legendary Weapon focus 46: Dexterity 45 48: Dexterity 46, Legendary Weapon Focus Bow 50: Dexterity 47 51: Great Dexterity 9 48 52: Dexterity 49 54: Dexterity 50, Great Dexterity 10 51 56: Dexterity 52 57: Legendary Will 58: Dexterity 53 60: Dexterity 54, Legendary Fortitude Saves 23+38= 61 40+35= 75 24+38= 62 HP Naked @ 40: 436 
|
|
|
|
Post by darthtorin on Jul 13, 2008 20:18:00 GMT
"Half-Kyton" (secret Beyond UltraRare)
- FC: Base Race, Monk
- DEX +4, WIS +4, CON +4, free feat: Improved Spell Resistance 1, free feat: Improved Spell Resistance 2, free feat: Dodge, free feat: Mobility, +8 hide, +8 move silent, +10 tumble, speaks Infernal
Wow: Looks like this is THE subrace for Shadowdancers....
Some comments on the build
- Weapon finesse should be taken at level 3 (switch with Great Fortitude)
- Take Hardened soul instead Luck of Heroes at Level 1 and LL Hardened Soul instead LL Luck -> Saves would be better
- I'm missing the Tougness feat
Torin
|
|
|
|
Post by the1kobra on Jul 13, 2008 21:07:10 GMT
Considering that you will probably have your bow equipped most of the time, I would not spend any feats on melee weapons. In fact, taking finesse is entirely pointless since you do not have shield proficiency here, though you could rectify that by taking bard instead of wizard at level one, but I think you want to keep the ability to use all arcane scrolls.
I don't see blind fight here either, and I do not recommend going without it. You're also missing toughness and rapid shot, feats which I would not make an archer without. You're spending 3 feats on melee combat which you really should never use, and is entirely pointless if you don't have shield proficiency to raise your AC anyway.
You can correct this by taking rapid shot at 15, (instead of finesse), blind fight at 21, a and toughness at 24. And as has been stated, L-soul instead of L-Luck will give you 2 fort and will for 4 reflex, which is certainly a welcome swap for a dexer.
|
|
|
|
Post by StrykerOfChaos on Jul 13, 2008 22:31:15 GMT
Shadowdancers can't be blinded, hence blind fight is missing from my SD build. That's my guess as to why it's not here also.
Why don't I see discipline in the skills list? Find some way to fit that in. At work right so will edit this later with my thoughts ^_^
|
|
|
|
Post by Mortis on Jul 14, 2008 3:19:38 GMT
Unless I am mistaken: SD get shield prof.
I agree on the Hardened Soul vs Luck of Heros, also the progression for Finesse is a good idea.
You could sacrafice Imp. Crit for Toughness.
Listen skill dump will negate the need for blindfight.
Cheers,
~Mortis
|
|
|
|
Post by chirikov on Jul 14, 2008 3:41:19 GMT
shadowdancers do not get shield proficiency free - you may be thinking of arcane archers, who do
|
|
|
|
Post by starlandra on Jul 14, 2008 5:22:47 GMT
made this build with bard, it is very fun as I tank often and bow only when needed...
|
|
|
|
Post by Oberu on Jul 14, 2008 18:30:58 GMT
Wow, thanks everyone for your insights! I love being in the middle of a spawn and that is the only real reason I went with a melee/archer. I couldn't find a way to fit discipline in but I planned on spending most big boss fights throwing arrows. This character will be 60% concealed at the very least with spamable ethereal ability. I would like to find a way to fit discipline in without cross classing but just can't find a way as of yet. I can't say that I understand the reason toughness would be worth a feat. To my understanding it will give me an additional 60hp at lvl 60 which isn't much at all. The splash of AA gives shield proficiency : ) From the journal SD can't be blinded and with solid dump in listen skill I was assuming that any concealment would be virtually negated. I'll look into the advice on Luck vs.H. Soul. I'm not sure I'm following the logic here. The only difference I saw was that H. Soul gave you a better save vs. a particular roll such as mind affecting or something along that line. I would love to throw Tymora on this build once I get the burrs knocked off the edges. Thanks again to all of you for your ideas and advice! I appreciate it XD
|
|
|
|
Post by StrykerOfChaos on Jul 14, 2008 18:33:43 GMT
Okay:
Luck of Heroes gives +1 to all saves and unlocks Legendary Heroes which grants +3 to all saves.
What we suggest:
Strong Soul gives one to 1 will and fort and unlocks Legendary Hardened Soul which gives +5 to fort and will. Your reflex is so high that you can afford the -3 to reflex and the gain of 2 fort/will
|
|
|
|
Post by starlandra on Jul 15, 2008 0:22:42 GMT
on my build i went went bullheaded for disc and still have good saves... i can post my verison in here if you want to see it
|
|
|
|
Post by Oberu on Jul 15, 2008 15:03:01 GMT
I would like that very much Starlandra! I see that Stryker even posted a SD build which I've been oogling. I have a reincarnation waiting to throw this build on if I can get a few things ironed out. I like the idea of taking Bullheaded at creation and I plan on putting Tymora on this toon as well so my saves will improve a bit (3). I think that a few save points vs. discipline is probably the wisest way to go. Thanks Stryker for filling me in on Luck o Hero's vs. S. Soul! I guess I missed something along the way (fairly normal lol). I guess the thing I liked the most about this idea is that it would be quite sturdy and have a decent AB with a melee or ranged weapon. I'm going to toy with this a bit more in the chambers and give Kobra's advice a shot as well. If I can find a place for rapid shot I will fit it in. Thanks again to you all  |
|
|
|
Post by starlandra on Jul 15, 2008 17:54:01 GMT
40 Half-Kyton: (Hardiness vs. Enchantments, Keen Sense, Low-light Vision, Skill Affinity: Listen, Skill Affinity: Search, Skill Affinity: Spot, Sleeplessness, Mobility, Dodge, (+8) Hide, (+8) Move Silently, (+10) Tumble)
Ba 01: Bard(1): Bullheaded
SD 02: Shadowdancer(1): {Hide in Plain Sight}
SD 03: Shadowdancer(2): Weapon Focus: Longbow, {Darkvision, Evasion, Uncanny Dodge I}
SD 04: Shadowdancer(3): DEX+1, (DEX=25)
SD 05: Shadowdancer(4)
SD 06: Shadowdancer(5): Point Blank Shot, {Defensive Roll}
SD 07: Shadowdancer(6)
SD 08: Shadowdancer(7): DEX+1, {Slippery Mind}, (DEX=26)
SD 09: Shadowdancer(8): Weapon Finesse
SD 10: Shadowdancer(9)
AA 11: Arcane Archer(1)
AA 12: Arcane Archer(2): DEX+1, Weapon Focus: Rapier, (DEX=27)
AA 13: Arcane Archer(3)
AA 14: Arcane Archer(4)
AA 15: Arcane Archer(5): Improved Critical: Longbow
AA 16: Arcane Archer(6): DEX+1, (DEX=28)
AA 17: Arcane Archer(7)
AA 18: Arcane Archer(8): Iron Will
AA 19: Arcane Archer(9)
SD 20: Shadowdancer(10): DEX+1, {Improved Evasion}, (DEX=29)
SD 21: Shadowdancer(11): Epic Prowess
SD 22: Shadowdancer(12)
SD 23: Shadowdancer(13): Great Dexterity I, (DEX=30)
SD 24: Shadowdancer(14): DEX+1, Epic Weapon Focus: Longbow, (DEX=31)
SD 25: Shadowdancer(15)
SD 26: Shadowdancer(16): Great Dexterity II, (DEX=32)
SD 27: Shadowdancer(17): Epic Weapon Focus: Rapier
SD 28: Shadowdancer(18): DEX+1, (DEX=33)
SD 29: Shadowdancer(19): Great Dexterity III, (DEX=34)
SD 30: Shadowdancer(20): Great Dexterity IV, (DEX=35)
SD 31: Shadowdancer(21)
SD 32: Shadowdancer(22): DEX+1, Great Dexterity V, (DEX=37)
SD 33: Shadowdancer(23): Great Dexterity VI, (DEX=38)
SD 34: Shadowdancer(24)
SD 35: Shadowdancer(25): Great Dexterity VII, (DEX=39)
lSD 36: Shadowdancer(26): DEX+1, Great Dexterity VIII, (DEX=41)
SD 37: Shadowdancer(27)
SD 38: Shadowdancer(28): Great Dexterity IX, (DEX=42)
SD 39: Shadowdancer(29): Great Dexterity X, (DEX=43)
SD 40: Shadowdancer(30): DEX+1, (DEX=44)
Class Race Bard(1), Shadowdancer(30), Arcane Archer(9), Half-Kyton
41
42 +1 dex Legendary Skill Focus Discipline
43
44 +1 dex
45 LWF Rapier
46 +1 dex
47
48 +1 dex LWF Longbow
49
50 +1 dex
51 great fort
52 +1 dex
53
54 +1 dex Legendary Fort
55
56 +1 dex
57 Legendary Skill Focus Listen
58 +1 dex
59
60 +1 dex Legendary will
Abilies STR: 08
DEX: 24 (44)
CON: 14
WIS: 12
INT: 14
CHA: 12
at 60 with gear
STR: 20
DEX: 66
CON: 26
WIS: 24
INT: 26
CHA: 24
Statistic Hitpoints: 398
Skillpoints: 318
Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 21/22/47
Saving Throws at 60: 61/60/78
Skills at 40 Craft Armor 22(24), Craft Weapon 22(24), Discipline 4(3), Hide 43(60), Listen 43(46), Lore 30(33), Move Silently 43(60), Pick Pocket 43(60), Search 43(47), Tumble 43(60)
AB base 26 + 33 dex + 15 LLAB + 4 feats + 20 bard buffs = 98 ab
AB base 26 + 33 dex + 15 LLAB + 4 feats + 20 bard buffs + 5aa bonus with longbow = 103 ab
AC base 10 + 33 dex + 12 tumble + 15 armor +17 large shield + 4 girding + 17 natural ac + 20 dodge ac +17 deflection ac +1 craft armor for 146 ac... 127 with a bow
that ac, stacking with shadowmasters crazy concealmeant is pretty damn nice.
Shadowmaster seems a natural fit for AA since an AA's main hang up is the lack of defence. Add in the fact that being a striaght aa gets boring sometimes, so you can just into the fray whenever you want is pretty nice.
|
|
|
|
Post by arek on Jul 15, 2008 21:13:30 GMT
Nice-looking build, Star. Just a quick note: wouldn't you be better off with ESF: Listen than LSF: Listen? My understanding is that ESFs apply outside the +50 cap, while LSFs apply inside the cap. Or does LSF provide more of a bonus, which might help if you don't have much listen gear (I'm not overly familiar with those 2 feats)? --Arek |
|
|
|
Post by starlandra on Jul 16, 2008 5:33:57 GMT
I have found most listen gear sucks. with LSF listen my stats are high enough that with a bard song I should reach my 127 max and you can go over 127 so epic is not needed.
but either way it is a minor point... use whichever you like more lol
|
|
