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Post by zerragon on Sept 5, 2007 13:03:11 GMT
A hard hitting well protected decently smart and but-ugly possibly evil dwarf:
Race: Dwarf Subrace: Kolyarut
Starting stats: Str: 16 (21) Dex: 8 (13) Con: 16 (22) Wis: 8 (6) Int: 16(18) Cha: 8 (4)
Lvl progression: 6 Fighter -> 6 WM -> 17 DD -> 10 WM -> 1 DD
Weapon: Either Light flail or Warhammer. Both are solid choices. Light flail will crit more regularly, while warhammer will crit harder.
Pre epic feats: Blooded Expertice WF Toughness Whirwind attack Iron will Power attack Improved crit warhammer Lightning reflexes Great fortitiude Cleave
Epic feats: Great str Great cleave Armor skin (DD bonus) Great str 2 Great str 3 Great str 4 Great str 5 Over crit (WM bonus) Great str 6 Dev crit (WM bonus) Epic Prowess (DD bonus)
LL feats: Ewf Lwf LL will LL reflex Epic will Great str 7 LSA tumble
End stats: Str: 48 Skills: Max craft armor, disc, listen,parry (tumble after lvl 50). Split remaining points in concentration and craft weapon, or just concentration, though 40 (modified) should be sufficient.
AC is pretty decent: 10 base + 20 natural + 17 deflection + 20 dodge + 19 (pentavite shield) + 27 (full plate + 1 dex) +12 tumble +2 armor skin +2 craft armor= 130 With girdling: 134 with Asmo artifact: 137 2x demi (29 dex) + medium armor: 140
AB: 30 base + 15 Lbab +7 feats +25 (str) +4 (wm) +20 (magical) = 101
HP ~1400
Saves: Fort: 62 Will: 63 Ref: 60
Artifact: Int (confuse immune si soooo nice against brachinas, which is the bane of this but ugly dwarf build)
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Post by dapperdave on Sept 5, 2007 14:31:52 GMT
Nice build Zerr One small point, I think you've counted Leg. WF in both "feats" and "LBAB" so your BAB will be 3 points lower. Dave
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Post by zerragon on Sept 5, 2007 14:45:47 GMT
Edit: Fixed bab (as pointed out) and ac (forgot armor skin).
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Post by dapperdave on Sept 5, 2007 15:03:59 GMT
Hmm... can you get the Intimidate Skill for WM early enough as it's cross-class for fighter???
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Post by zerragon on Sept 5, 2007 18:34:49 GMT
Ah, youre absolutetly right, couldnt get before lvl 5, so reshuffled build some, thx.
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Post by Senaattori on Sept 6, 2007 6:10:23 GMT
Shame that this build works well only with the BUR sub..
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Post by zerragon on Sept 6, 2007 6:19:42 GMT
Yeah, you can do it with subs that provide 1 of the WM feats, but you will have to drop devastating critical.
Reicarnated to this one yesterday, I went with light flail after discovering I had the light flails I needed, and Im quite happy with that choice. 10-20 x4 critted for regularly around 250-400 dmg in Dispater yesterday. Happy with it so far.
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Post by Senaattori on Sept 6, 2007 8:14:57 GMT
hehe. I think light hammers/flails are overpowered but the feats are not the only thing. loses come in saves, ab and AC too cause Kolyarut has so high bonuses on STR DEX and CON. If I played with stinger sub for expamle I would have terrible saves etc..
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Post by Senaattori on Sept 6, 2007 8:16:07 GMT
thats why I wanna see Builds made with Secret or UR subs. not with the BURs
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Post by zerragon on Sept 6, 2007 8:32:19 GMT
hehe. I think light hammers/flails are overpowered but the feats are not the only thing. loses come in saves, ab and AC too cause Kolyarut has so high bonuses on STR DEX and CON. If I played with stinger sub for expamle I would have terrible saves etc.. Yes, but you could convert them to saves skipping the 5 feat cost of Devastating critical. Anyways, a Koly is tailored for this build. Can update with a Stinger version alter.
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Post by dapperdave on Sept 6, 2007 8:49:41 GMT
Stinger is human only so can't be a DD You can make this build with Battlerager, but with fewer DD levels. 12 ftr 13wm 15DD gets you 9 bonus feats to make up for one less free feat from subby. Of course you'll need to compromise starting stats somewhat. Dave
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Post by zerragon on Sept 6, 2007 8:59:24 GMT
Lol, ah, right, Salamander would work, but still on Bur tier so not accessible to all. Battlerager would be the best UR choice indeed.
Anyway, fixed a bug in the build, skipping bf, taking listen (skipping concentration) , to fit in Great cleave pre epic, and take epic will. You need all will feats to get > 60 will. Also reduced start con to take 2 more dex, and 2 more wisdom (to get 1 more will save).
Hp ended at 1253, should be decent enough.
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Post by ekstroem on Sept 6, 2007 9:23:48 GMT
Nice build! Pity I have my kolyarut on another account than my Tin Can. Actually you can boost your WILL and FORT saves for free. Pre-epic you should go 6 Fighter, 6 WM, 8 DD to get +1 FORT and +2 WILL. I'd never skip blind fight - and I know for a fact you go places where something might happen that will make any tank wish they had blind fight (trying to be vague here ) Cheers, Claus EDIT: I accidently deleted my original post so posting it here again.
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Post by zerragon on Sept 6, 2007 9:50:49 GMT
Nice build! Pity I have my kolyarut on another account than my Tin Can. Actually you can boost your WILL and FORT saves for free. Pre-epic you should go 6 Fighter, 6 WM, 8 DD to get +1 FORT and +2 WILL. I'd never skip blind fight - and I know for a fact you go places where something might happen that will make any tank wish they had blind fight (trying to be vague here ) Cheers, Claus Thx Claus. Ah, I forgot that special place would interrupt the Listen checks ! Increased saves helps alot, and I think you can skip LL fortitude for epic will instead then, and still go with Blind fight. Saves will be 62/63/62. Could be higher but still good enough. Will reincarnate again,and update the build tomorrow
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Post by Hercules on Sept 6, 2007 10:37:59 GMT
looks really promising this build... gotta build me one of theese i think.. Aint sure if to reincarnate my barbarian yet after nerfed, but if i do, a i got koly unlocked, it wll be my 1st choice of rebuild.
Nice Work!
Hercules
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