Post by adesin on Oct 21, 2009 13:53:51 GMT
Ok, here's a rough build of a battle sorc using Half-Eladrin to take advantage of the new feat Rapier Wit, which boosts your AB with rapiers based off of your CHA. Since we're maxing out CHA for AB, we even get to keep most of our casting goodness Anyways, on with the build!
Both builds read the Conjuration book and Blind Fight Pandect.
TODO LIST:
Feat progression - DONE
Ending Stats - DONE
AB Calculation - DONE
AC Calculation -DONE
Saves Calculation (gonna be freakishly high o.0)
Spell List
I have the ending stats mostly puzzled out, but for some reason the Class Ability changes board on the forums doesn't say whether or not Sorcerers get bonus CHA in the legendary levels or not.
On the spell focus feats, Illusion you'd be crazy not to get due to base gnome, Conjuration is for the uber orbs. I guess you can think of other focuses, maybe Evocation or Transmutation.
In any case, Tensers and EV are what is going to make or break this build. This isn't a staffmaster, so Tensers is going to need a lot of recasting, and your EV won't be quite as uber.
Also, First build on this forum!
UPDATE: Ok, updated this build to take advantage of Khan's suggestions and replaced the Abjuration focuses with a full line up of weapon focus feats, boosting my AB to 91. I'm trying to puzzle out the AC, but at the moment, without being able to use a shield, it's looking pretty grim. Looks Like Pharlan is a better choice after all -.-
Update2: Yeah, Half Eladrin verison is not looking good AC wise. It seems that even with the best gear (aka Asmo artifact + Elysium/Aboleth +15 Armor bracers) in the game and double demi, I'm only going to get to 111 AC without craft armor.
Update3: Ok, things aren't as bad as I thought, but they're still not good in the AC department. Using a Pharlan and using the Asmo Shield isn't *that* much of an upgrade over a Half-Eladrin as previously thought, only a 5 point difference, but with high conceal, every point matters, so it's still substantial.
Saves I'm not worried about. With such a high CHA and the pally levels, they're going to be ridiculously high anyways.
So, that just leaves spells. I'm surprised that more people aren't posting in this thread considering the rather involved discussions in !newbie chat both last night and this morning.
MinorUpdate: Realized that Griding only affects Armor, not bracers with Armor AC, so both builds lose 1 max AC. On the bright side, the Abo/Ely bracers aren't as important anymore
MinorUpdate2: Thanks to Jean Helix, I now actually know what I'm talking about when it comes to the AC numbers, lol. Re-added the better bracer AC because it apparently *does* work on bracers, and he revealed that there's a non-asmo artifact that Sorcerers can use that gives +20 Deflection AC, allowing me to use the Asmo Amulet for even higher AC. I now have a midget sorcerer who has nearly pure caster levels, a decent AB, AC and high concealment. If this idea gets nerfed I'm going to cry lol
AnotherUpdate: Ok, I am now playtesting this build, leveling it from scratch to see just how (un)playable it is. So far it's typical caster, though I can hop into melee and actually hit stuff. That and it's fun to make people feel uncomfortable by talking about my burning poker that's larger than the rest of my body while unfortunately being naked o.0
Both builds read the Conjuration book and Blind Fight Pandect.
Gnomish Duelist (36 Sorc, 3 Pally, 1 Monk)
"Half-Eladrin" (secret Beyond Ultra-Rare subrace) - requires Gnome
FCs: Bard, Paladin
STR +7, CHA +5
Free feats: Great Charisma I, Great Charisma II, Divine Shield
Starting Stats: Base (subrace)
STR .7 (14)
DEX 14 (14)
CON 14 (14)
INT 12 (12)
WIS 10 (10)
CHA 17 (24)
All Stat Points into CHA
Level Progression:
1 Sorc, 2 Pally, 35 Sorc, 1 Pally, 1 Monk
Feats
.1: Bullheaded
.3: Greater Spell Focus: Illusion
.6: Rapier Wit
.9: Spell Penetration
12: Greater Spell Penetration
15: Weapon Focus: Rapier
18: Extend Spell
21: Epic Spell Focus: Illusion
24: Epic Weapon Focus: Rapier
25: Epic Spell Penetration*
27: Power Attack
28: Great Charisma 3*
30: Great Charisma 4
31: Great Charisma 5*
33: Epic Prowess
34: Great Charisma 6*
36: Empower Spell
37: Great Charisma 7*
39: Divine Might
42: Legendary Skill Affinity: Discipline
45: Legendary Spell Penetration
48: Legendary Spell Focus Illusion
51: Legendary Weapon Focus: Rapier
54: Legendary Spell Focus Conjuration
57: Great Charisma 8
60: Armor Skin
Ending Stats
Nekkid (clothed) [Arti] {Demix2} |+14 CHA item|
STR 14 (26) [26] {30} |30|
DEX 14 (26) [26] {30} |30|
CON 14 (26) [26] {30} |30|
INT 12 (24) [24] {28} |28|
WIS 10 (22) [22] {26} |26|
CHA 50 (62) [64] {68} |70|
AB Breakdown
11 BAB
+ 10 eBAB
+ 15 lBAB(tensors)
+ 26 Stats
+ 1 WF
+ 1 EP
+ 2 EWF
+ 3 LWF
+ 20 Items
+ 1 Small
= 90
+1-3 (craft armor)
=91-93
+4 (demix2 + arti + 14 items)
= 95-97 AB max
AC Breakdown
10 Base
+ 8 Dex (+12items)
+ 6 Wis (+12items)
+ 20 Natural
+ 20 Deflection
+ 20 Dodge
+ 0+14 Armor
+ 1 Small
+ 8 Tumble
+ 2 Girding
+ 2 Armor Skin
= 111
+4 Double Demi
+1 Ely/Abo Bracers
+2 +14 stat items
= 118
+1-3 Craft Armor
=119-121
TODO LIST:
Saves Calculation (gonna be freakishly high o.0)
Spell List
I have the ending stats mostly puzzled out, but for some reason the Class Ability changes board on the forums doesn't say whether or not Sorcerers get bonus CHA in the legendary levels or not.
On the spell focus feats, Illusion you'd be crazy not to get due to base gnome, Conjuration is for the uber orbs. I guess you can think of other focuses, maybe Evocation or Transmutation.
In any case, Tensers and EV are what is going to make or break this build. This isn't a staffmaster, so Tensers is going to need a lot of recasting, and your EV won't be quite as uber.
Also, First build on this forum!
UPDATE: Ok, updated this build to take advantage of Khan's suggestions and replaced the Abjuration focuses with a full line up of weapon focus feats, boosting my AB to 91. I'm trying to puzzle out the AC, but at the moment, without being able to use a shield, it's looking pretty grim. Looks Like Pharlan is a better choice after all -.-
Update2: Yeah, Half Eladrin verison is not looking good AC wise. It seems that even with the best gear (aka Asmo artifact + Elysium/Aboleth +15 Armor bracers) in the game and double demi, I'm only going to get to 111 AC without craft armor.
Update3: Ok, things aren't as bad as I thought, but they're still not good in the AC department. Using a Pharlan and using the Asmo Shield isn't *that* much of an upgrade over a Half-Eladrin as previously thought, only a 5 point difference, but with high conceal, every point matters, so it's still substantial.
Saves I'm not worried about. With such a high CHA and the pally levels, they're going to be ridiculously high anyways.
So, that just leaves spells. I'm surprised that more people aren't posting in this thread considering the rather involved discussions in !newbie chat both last night and this morning.
MinorUpdate: Realized that Griding only affects Armor, not bracers with Armor AC, so both builds lose 1 max AC. On the bright side, the Abo/Ely bracers aren't as important anymore
MinorUpdate2: Thanks to Jean Helix, I now actually know what I'm talking about when it comes to the AC numbers, lol. Re-added the better bracer AC because it apparently *does* work on bracers, and he revealed that there's a non-asmo artifact that Sorcerers can use that gives +20 Deflection AC, allowing me to use the Asmo Amulet for even higher AC. I now have a midget sorcerer who has nearly pure caster levels, a decent AB, AC and high concealment. If this idea gets nerfed I'm going to cry lol
AnotherUpdate: Ok, I am now playtesting this build, leveling it from scratch to see just how (un)playable it is. So far it's typical caster, though I can hop into melee and actually hit stuff. That and it's fun to make people feel uncomfortable by talking about my burning poker that's larger than the rest of my body while unfortunately being naked o.0