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Post by gargazon on Apr 27, 2008 20:30:54 GMT
Been wanting to make a Pariah for a while, but never had any descent races. Decided to use Negatai Because it has +2 con, +6 int and +2 cha. Also has still spell and 25% negative resist (and autostill 1 and 2 so you can cast spell in chainmail or studded leather to start).
starting stats S 8 D 8 C 18(20) I 11(17) W 14 Ch 13(15)
1) s toughness, sf evocation 2) B 3) s SF trans 4) B +1 con 5) B 6) s GSF evoc 7) B 8) B +1 con 9) s GSF Trans 10) B 11) s 12) s +1 con, spell pen 13) s 14) s 15) s G spell pen 16) s +1 con 17) B 18) s Heavy armor 19) B 20) s +1 con 21) Gcon 1 22) s 23) s 24) +1 con, Gcon 2 25) s 26) s 27) B gcon 3 28) B +1 con 29) B 30) B Gcon4 31) B 32) B +1 con 33) B gcon 5 34) B 35) B 36) B +1 con, Gcon 6 37) B 38) B 39) B 40) s +1 con
LL's epic pen, epic evoc, epic trans, ll pen, ll trans, ll evoc, and ll necro (read book at level 41)
Please let me know what you think, could definatly use some constructive criticism, a suggested spell list, and soem tips on playing a pariah. Trying my best but in the mid 20's now and while I do ok, IO am not sure I am playing him quite right.
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Post by mrslayer on Apr 27, 2008 21:24:31 GMT
Imo you need to ditch necro, read a book for evo, and get some save feats (ll luck, ll ref, maybe ll will). Negati would be better with maelephant if you have v it. Negati is better for PM or plate bards.....
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Post by flay on Apr 28, 2008 6:00:39 GMT
Imo you need to ditch necro, read a book for evo, and get some save feats (ll luck, ll ref, maybe ll will). Negati would be better with maelephant if you have v it. Negati is better for PM or plate bards..... Plate bard? I don't think I've ever seen that on HG.
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Post by mrslayer on Apr 28, 2008 18:32:11 GMT
Plate mail bard - Purely hypothetical build I have been playing with (not got Negati which is vital to make it work). Decent STR tank level ac plus displacement, should do ok, plus people have muttered about ev level conceals from certain late game kit. Due to feat restrictions and the need for CON at such a massive level the only Pariahs I would think of recommending need Maelephant.
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Post by gargazon on Apr 28, 2008 21:20:56 GMT
Ok, the thing is, I don't have Malephant. Or even Spelljammer, which I am convinced would make an even better pariah. I have Negatai. I also am fairly sure I will need trans, evoc, and necro. If I am wrong, please someone explain why to me.
Another problem I am having is one of what spells really work for Pariah, and any advice on the actual build or spell lists, and why would be most appreciated.
Not that bards aren't nice, I have a level 51 chaos gnome caster bard which is fun to play, but for the purpose of this post I'd really like to focus on Pariahs.
Also, any tips on how to play one from someone who has a successful high level pariah would be fantastic.
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Post by wnxhalfwingseen on Apr 28, 2008 23:51:05 GMT
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Post by shadow on Apr 29, 2008 6:13:52 GMT
Well as much as I hate to admit it...gnome is the best way to go since you get illu focus for free and +2 con, chaos gnome is decent except you're getting enchantment which is something you really have no use for as a pariah...don't like negatai in particular because the autostills are a waste since you get all 3 free when you become a pariah.
Depending on what subs you have planewalker is never a bad choice...no charisma boost but you do'nt really need it since pariah's get +4 when they turn, and no wasted bonuses. Having more than the required charisma to cast level 9 spells gets you almost nothing unless you go full on charisma, which is a poor way to go imho.
Other than that though maelephant is the way to go since it grants you free heavy armor proficiency and really isn't that difficult to get ahold of, since it's use is fairly imited. I don't see how spelljammer would make a better pariah than mael, +4 con is nice but the +6 int is a complete wash since it nets you nothing more than skillpoints and all you really need is discipline, concentraion and some spellcraft/lore. Also having a negative wis is a poor tradeoff for the extra con as it decreases your will which is a fairly important save, and the dex is completely irrelevant since your dex is set in stone once you become a pariah.
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Post by booboospooki on Apr 29, 2008 13:16:34 GMT
gnome is the best way to go ? Profit!
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Post by gargazon on Apr 30, 2008 0:46:48 GMT
Well as much as I hate to admit it...gnome is the best way to go since you get illu focus for free and +2 con, chaos gnome is decent except you're getting enchantment which is something you really have no use for as a pariah...don't like negatai in particular because the autostills are a waste since you get all 3 free when you become a pariah. Depending on what subs you have planewalker is never a bad choice...no charisma boost but you do'nt really need it since pariah's get +4 when they turn, and no wasted bonuses. Having more than the required charisma to cast level 9 spells gets you almost nothing unless you go full on charisma, which is a poor way to go imho. Other than that though maelephant is the way to go since it grants you free heavy armor proficiency and really isn't that difficult to get ahold of, since it's use is fairly imited. I don't see how spelljammer would make a better pariah than mael, +4 con is nice but the +6 int is a complete wash since it nets you nothing more than skillpoints and all you really need is discipline, concentraion and some spellcraft/lore. Also having a negative wis is a poor tradeoff for the extra con as it decreases your will which is a fairly important save, and the dex is completely irrelevant since your dex is set in stone once you become a pariah.
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Post by gargazon on Apr 30, 2008 0:54:44 GMT
W I don't see how spelljammer would make a better pariah than mael, +4 con is nice but the +6 int is a complete wash since it nets you nothing more than skillpoints and all you really need is discipline, concentraion and some spellcraft/lore. Also having a negative wis is a poor tradeoff for the extra con as it decreases your will which is a fairly important save, and the dex is completely irrelevant since your dex is set in stone once you become a pariah. Unless I am mistaken spelljammer gets +6 con to start, +4 from sub, and the +2 gnome. Also they get spell pen for free which frees up a slot for heavy armor, and they get esf concentration which is useful for getting spells off in combat. Add to that the fact that Gnomes get extra skill points so you can add stuff like parry, tumble, craft armor, etc and I think Spelljammer would make a pretty good Pariah, but alas, I don't have it, or Malephalent. Definately going to have a look at PW though as I have that.
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Post by wnxhalfwingseen on Apr 30, 2008 2:20:17 GMT
My pariah is planewalker actually. I dont cast though i tank. not sure what you want with him. Also maelephant gets heavy armor free which frees up a feat for spell pen and maelephant can be gnome and get +8 con (6 from sub 2 from gnome)
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Post by shadow on Apr 30, 2008 20:50:49 GMT
they do but you can do a gnome maelephant and get the +2 con to that as well for +8 con...maels also get heavy armor prof for free so it's a direct tradeoff for spell pen...as for the concentration...well maels take very little damage anyhow so almost nothing will break your concentration so it's another useless feat imo. Parry is completely...and UTTERLY useless in almost every situation except where you've just die since stone bones gives you a fairly long duration crit immunity. And again....mael gnome gets the same skill bonuses as spelljammer.
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Post by shadow on May 4, 2008 4:56:35 GMT
was just looking at this again and noticing...you have no illusion! 1) you're a gnome so you get free spell focus illusion. 2) Wierd kicks all kinds of booty and your dc is utterly insane, definately drop kick necro...which is useful only for enervate and energy drain in hell...and pick up wierd which will help clear out alot of junk
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Post by AW O'Reilly on Jun 17, 2008 19:31:32 GMT
A friend of mine made a chaos gnome pariah some months back and complained that he could not equip a staff/shield because of the gnome base race, even though he was a huge, hulking, pariah. Don't know if this is still the case... but something to consider prior to taking a small subrace.
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Post by louisvilleslugger on Jun 17, 2008 20:15:56 GMT
If it was a problem, it's fixed now (you have to log off and back on the first time you turn into pariah in order to get your large size though).
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