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Post by MurphysLawAgain on Jan 19, 2008 17:24:55 GMT
Ok - this is my take on an Imploding Theurge. Please give me some feedback I am sure this build can be improved.
Elf - Stargazer Stats Base (With Subby)
Str 8 (8)
Dex 12 (12)
Con 12 (12)
Int 14 (18)
Wis 18 (22)
Cha 8 (6)
All stat points to Wisdom. Take 9 Wiz levels, then 10 Cleric Levels, then 4 Wiz levels, then 16 Cleric, then 1 Monk. It has 3 epics - Miracle, Conversion, Eternal Return (necro book) . The final implode DC is 53. I am a combat casting junkie so whatever else those two feats are going to have to stay!
Feats
1) Combat Casting
3) Spell Pen
5) Spell Focus Evo
6) Greater Spell Focus Evo
9) Greater Spell Pen
12) Greater Spell Focus Div
15) Lightning Reflex
18) Silent Spell
20) Great Fort
21) Epic Spell Pen
24) Improved Combat Casting
27) Epic Spell Focus Evo
30) Great Wis 1
33) Great Wis 2 & Great Wis 3
36) Great Wis 4
39) Epic Spell Focus Div & Great Wis 5
42) Legendary Spell Focus Evo
45) Legendary Spell Pen
48) Great Wis 6
51) Great Wis 7
54) Great Wis 8
57) Legendary Reflexes
60) Legendary Fort
Skills
Concentration
Heal
Parry
Splash Tumble & Disc at 40
Using Elf benefits to top up tumble or Discipline in LL's. Any thoughts on preference welcome here.
Saves
Naked at lvl 40
Fort 22
Reflex 19
Will 39
Maxed (hah) at 60
Fort 60
Reflex 57
Will 70
-- Modified to add skills --
-- Modified 20-01-08 to add feat changes and book --
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Post by nohmask on Jan 19, 2008 19:28:15 GMT
Well, what book are you taking, and why the monk level, and why are you bothering with wiz levels over 10 (I dont think 11-13 will give you extra feats, and with gear you get spell slots with a theurge you normally would not...a special feature of the build).
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Post by MurphysLawAgain on Jan 19, 2008 19:37:43 GMT
Am tempted by the Illusion book - for improvements to Etherial Visage & powered up Creeping Doom. I competely forgot the book to be honest and perhaps thats the way to max DC. I could use it to get Epic Evocation. This would free 3 feats allowing me to take:
Great Fort, LL Fort and 1 Wisdom. Change the Legendary spell focus Div for another great wis and Oh Frabjous Day I have maxed implosion. Comments anyone?
Monk level at 40 allows loads of splash to tumble and discipline. Not to mention that tasty Monk AC from wisdom
I wasn't aware of the extra slots (I assume giving higher lvl spells). I am a little concerned that this is a bug and will be revoked by the admins. It sounds like one. Any comment from DM types?
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Post by Acaos on Jan 19, 2008 19:38:42 GMT
Well, what book are you taking, and why the monk level, and why are you bothering with wiz levels over 10 (I dont think 11-13 will give you extra feats, and with gear you get spell slots with a theurge you normally would not...a special feature of the build). You do not get 6th level spells without 11 levels of wizard or 7th level spells without 13 levels of wizard. (If you -do- have some way to do this, it is a serious Bioware bug). Acaos |
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Post by MurphysLawAgain on Jan 19, 2008 19:40:02 GMT
Well- thats my comment regarding spells! Thanks acaos
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Post by MurphysLawAgain on Jan 19, 2008 19:46:33 GMT
On reflection I realise that too many of the feats saved to max wis are PRE EPIC. So back to square 1 we go. Now I have the choice. I could go for one of the "standard" cleric epics Girding or Instruments. Or take illusion for the above benefits and a summonable powerfull ally. This sounds like the standard "joke of a summons" like so many of the others at the moment. Has anyone even seen what the cleric Epic summons looks like?
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Post by fragment on Jan 20, 2008 3:30:27 GMT
I discussed the associated problems a bit when I built mine. The build is still valid, except for a few things like extend instead of silent. But really, taking ICC on a theurge at the cost of fort is madness. |
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Post by MurphysLawAgain on Jan 20, 2008 10:10:21 GMT
Ok - having read the advice I am making a couple of edits to the original post. Thanks fragment, nohmask & excruciator for advice so far. Am adding book (necro) and exchanging one Meta & Leg Div for fort feats. Also updated saves and tweaked skills to reflect elf benefits.
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Post by gren on Mar 12, 2008 14:00:43 GMT
Was looking for a nice Theurge build for my new Stargazer book (seemed the obvious choice) and this one seems to fit the bill. Got a couple of questions for the 99.9% of you all out there who are better builders than me....
- This build would use cloth and torch in order to use the Monk/WIS AC and cast the Wiz spells?
- Would Abjuration book be a good choice over Necro? Have loved having a cleric with Aegic in the party and would like to fit it in the build.
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Post by MurphysLawAgain on Mar 15, 2008 18:50:24 GMT
Gren,
Yup - robes and torches/flags are the way to go
Aegis is used less these days because more people have gear with good exotic resists / immunes. It doesn't hurt but necro or illusion seem better choices to me. Don't take this as an absolute though, if you take Aegis pls let me know how you get on with it.
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Post by gren on Mar 15, 2008 19:50:40 GMT
Thanks for the info.
May be a little while before I build this one - got an AA sitting at 50 and a caster bard at 30 and am having fun levelling them both at the moment.
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Post by gren on Mar 27, 2008 10:47:16 GMT
Currently standing at lvl 34 and am starting to enjoy playing this one. As usual, being a quasi means its a slow starter. Reminded me of playing my PM again
Just thought I'd point out a couple of things on the build though. I got caught out a couple of times and if anyone else follows the build it's just a 'heads up'
- Take Great fort at 18 (swap witjh silent/extend) as lvl 20 is bonus wizzy feat and I couldn't take great fort
- Epic spell focus evo needs to be taken at 30 not 27 due to needing lvl 9 spells for this feat
- The bonus cleric feats will be at lvls 36 and 39 rather than 33 and 39
Just being picky really as the build is proving to be a good one so far. Xul is next so I guess one of the first 'real' tests although theres a long way to go. Implodes are already causing havoc in the Bone Horde!
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Post by Onyx [SL] on Mar 27, 2008 11:37:47 GMT
Have a theurge and have the extend feat instead of the silent feat. I use the extend for Greater Restores for the party and myself in the hell runs. If you get your hands on a WIS arti that will help out your implodes also. With mine my DC is at 54 so you can see we have about the same build. Constantly casting that extended Greater Restores thou before I cast because it gives my spells more punch. Plus I took all the legendary levels like you took also so your on the right track.  |
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Post by Onyx [SL] on Mar 28, 2008 7:38:54 GMT
Also instead of Necro book I went with the Enchantment book and took it to legendary so that I could cast plus 14 GMW and gird the party. If I every reincarnate I may just drop the legendary on the enchantment and go with the empowered feat so that I can cast empowered destruction spells. I hear they work good for the bosses.
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Post by borges on Apr 8, 2008 14:26:04 GMT
A few observations, based on my recent reincarnation to a very similar build.
1. You can push Wizard lvl 10 to epic levels at the cost of -1 Will. That seemed like a fair trade to me since that's your high save anyway and an epic bonus feat is much more useful than pre-epic.
2. I'd recommend maxing Wisdom, probably at the cost of some save feats. I opted for the Legendary Luck package rather than your Legendary Will + Reflexes. Final saves: 56 F, 52 R, 72 W. Not worth writing home about, but manageable if you know what critters to avoid and remember to Greater Restore yourself before jumping into the fray.
3. Extend > Silent if you use HG Enhanced, for reasons Onyx mentions.
4. Consider reinstating LSF Divination. Top of the line Gate, Clairaudience and (maybe someday) Legend Lore are very useful.
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