Post by ilovedietpepsi on Oct 5, 2007 13:25:28 GMT
first of all im new here so keep that in mind. 1. I think the reason he using monk instead of a rogue is to get the free cleave feat to fill the requirement for devastating critical? 2. Possible to trade Improved Initiative for Improved Expertise, since your ab is so high, further -5 to ab to get some extra ac at will may be good?
Too many people have opinions on things they know nothing about. The more ignorant they are, the more opinions they have.
1 - Yes - essentially by going monk you get cleave free (if no monk and just fighter you get an extra feat, so this is a wash) You DO get evasion which is nice - and trade 1 ab to get it. boils down to preference really i would think.
2 - improved initiative is required for superior initiative - which is going to be boosted soon I hope:
* Superior Initiative - Grants a power item that lets you 'preload' a usable item (potion, a few other items like pearls) outside of combat. You can then use the preloaded item instantly in combat. Probably a time limitation of 30-60 seconds between insta-uses, or 2-3 preload slots on the power item.
If you drop both of those, then you are forced to take something like epic toughness for one of your weaponmaster bonus feats - which is a waste.
If you were to take it, you would either end up lowering your saves or your AB I am thinking. You COULD take off 2 Great STR feats and take improved expertise and disarm or something like that. Would not be a real bad idea maybe - but not wanting to skimp on AB much since that is the main things WM have going for them.
1 - Yes - essentially by going monk you get cleave free (if no monk and just fighter you get an extra feat, so this is a wash)
Not quite a wash on feats, you'd loose Cleave and Deflect Arrows, but gain a fighter feat, so you're still down 1 feat.
You DO get evasion which is nice - and trade 1 ab to get it. boils down to preference really i would think.
Thats not all you get for -1 AB you get: Evasion, Tumble 20 at in class skill cost, +2 Fort, +3 Ref, and +3 Will saves.
I think the choice between 8 ftr or 6 ftr/2 monk is clear. With the latter, you get Evasion, +2-3 to all your saves, extra or cheaper AC, and a free Deflect Arrows feat. With the former, you loose all that and gain +1 AB.
The monk method also has the minor benefits of being able to go Kama if you want for even more attacks and add your wisdom bonus to your AC if wearing light armor. These aren't main considerations since they are going great axe and strength, but it does leave versitility there for a Kama or dex based version...
I believe Deflect arrows requires a free hand. You'd get no benefit wielding a weapon and shield or two wepons or two-handed weapon.
Not according to the book, but that can be tenuous ground , in any event even if you do its a free feat that has minor use. Even without DA I think its a no brainer to take 2 monk over 2 more fighter...
And I think monks need to be in no armor/shield to get their armor bonus from Wis (so not in light armor).
They do, didn't mean to imply othewise. My point was that was a heavy armor build and thus its not a consideration (but monk allows for light armor variations and by light I mean really light as in none, not the armor category Light). Sorry for using a generic english term that also has a specific meaning in DnD.
Have not gotten him up to high levels at all yet, but he is super fun thus far. Only level 15 - but get lots of crits for good damage - this is before i have ki critical or overwhelming/devastating crit - which should make it even more fun. Sorta wishing I had gone with greatsword - would be better at lower levels anyway - cause more of them in game. Once i get L 29 and L 35 rare greataxes - and on up from there should not be as much of an issue I am thinking :-)
Not being able to see crafted stuff IS annoying - plainwalker will be short by a little on Str - that is not super bad - but will loose a feat which sucks. having extra ring on Ssith is nice I guess. I would just go with a martial weapon - and drop reflex to 59 (by taking only Epic Reflex) and not lightning / ll reflex. If you really needed Exotic - then drop 2 Great Str - and take Exotic + spring attack
Just tagged immo on mine. Build is Great Fun to play for sure. Lots and Lots of crits for good damage. That is even without a good weapon. If i had a 35 rare or something comparable would be even better. Was able to help a ton in both Lloth and Immo. Walked through Xul with him - slapping the drey around like they were nothing
Anyway - now time to do some desert runs with him and get him leveled on up! :-) that will have to wait a few days prob.
The Planewalker offers a lot more than just "..having extra ring on Ssith ...". Having the extra ring on all of the Desert maps, most of the Rona maps, and around half of the DB maps is a significant advantage. Not to mention what areas the future might bring ...
The build was done with Stinger - and I was comparing to that. Stinger does not need lev ring - it is only underwater areas that it is an improvement in that regard. Not sure about Rona, but was not thinking it was water based.
Future maps - sure - agreed - I would imagine a water map is coming up at some point (if Rona is not it - don't know for certain since not been there yet)