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Post by Acaos on Oct 4, 2007 18:55:18 GMT
I don't think weaponmasters get 16 bonus AB through their feats. They get one pre-epic bonus, then 6 more through level 28, for a total of 7. As a Higher Ground modification, WMs also get +1 AB at 10, +1 AB at 29, and +2 AB at 30 with their weapons of choice, for a total possible maximum of +11. Acaos
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Post by valdrim on Oct 4, 2007 19:37:20 GMT
My mistake - I was counting the +1 per 3 levels on all levels. Misread it. Will fix shortly to show the right AB
Thx
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Post by ilovedietpepsi on Oct 5, 2007 13:25:28 GMT
first of all im new here so keep that in mind. 1. I think the reason he using monk instead of a rogue is to get the free cleave feat to fill the requirement for devastating critical? 2. Possible to trade Improved Initiative for Improved Expertise, since your ab is so high, further -5 to ab to get some extra ac at will may be good?
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Post by valdrim on Oct 5, 2007 16:43:52 GMT
1 - Yes - essentially by going monk you get cleave free (if no monk and just fighter you get an extra feat, so this is a wash) You DO get evasion which is nice - and trade 1 ab to get it. boils down to preference really i would think.
2 - improved initiative is required for superior initiative - which is going to be boosted soon I hope:
* Superior Initiative - Grants a power item that lets you 'preload' a usable item (potion, a few other items like pearls) outside of combat. You can then use the preloaded item instantly in combat. Probably a time limitation of 30-60 seconds between insta-uses, or 2-3 preload slots on the power item.
If you drop both of those, then you are forced to take something like epic toughness for one of your weaponmaster bonus feats - which is a waste.
If you were to take it, you would either end up lowering your saves or your AB I am thinking. You COULD take off 2 Great STR feats and take improved expertise and disarm or something like that. Would not be a real bad idea maybe - but not wanting to skimp on AB much since that is the main things WM have going for them.
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Post by Ralkain on Oct 5, 2007 16:58:19 GMT
1 - Yes - essentially by going monk you get cleave free (if no monk and just fighter you get an extra feat, so this is a wash) Not quite a wash on feats, you'd loose Cleave and Deflect Arrows, but gain a fighter feat, so you're still down 1 feat. Thats not all you get for -1 AB you get: Evasion, Tumble 20 at in class skill cost, +2 Fort, +3 Ref, and +3 Will saves. I think the choice between 8 ftr or 6 ftr/2 monk is clear. With the latter, you get Evasion, +2-3 to all your saves, extra or cheaper AC, and a free Deflect Arrows feat. With the former, you loose all that and gain +1 AB. The monk method also has the minor benefits of being able to go Kama if you want for even more attacks and add your wisdom bonus to your AC if wearing light armor. These aren't main considerations since they are going great axe and strength, but it does leave versitility there for a Kama or dex based version... Ralkain
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Post by flynn01 on Oct 5, 2007 18:16:05 GMT
I believe Deflect arrows requires a free hand. You'd get no benefit wielding a weapon and shield or two wepons or two-handed weapon.
And I think monks need to be in no armor/shield to get their armor bonus from Wis (so not in light armor).
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Post by Ralkain on Oct 5, 2007 18:41:14 GMT
I believe Deflect arrows requires a free hand. You'd get no benefit wielding a weapon and shield or two wepons or two-handed weapon. Not according to the book, but that can be tenuous ground , in any event even if you do its a free feat that has minor use. Even without DA I think its a no brainer to take 2 monk over 2 more fighter... They do, didn't mean to imply othewise. My point was that was a heavy armor build and thus its not a consideration (but monk allows for light armor variations and by light I mean really light as in none, not the armor category Light). Sorry for using a generic english term that also has a specific meaning in DnD. Ralkain
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Post by valdrim on Oct 11, 2007 11:16:03 GMT
Have not gotten him up to high levels at all yet, but he is super fun thus far. Only level 15 - but get lots of crits for good damage - this is before i have ki critical or overwhelming/devastating crit - which should make it even more fun. Sorta wishing I had gone with greatsword - would be better at lower levels anyway - cause more of them in game. Once i get L 29 and L 35 rare greataxes - and on up from there should not be as much of an issue I am thinking :-)
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Post by The Apostasy on Oct 12, 2007 20:32:48 GMT
What would be a good substitute weapon for this build if I used planewalker subby?
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Post by Bakchuda on Oct 12, 2007 20:55:39 GMT
Bastard sword would be ideal, you'd have to shift feats around and drop something to get epic weapon proficiency. Light flail, warhammer, or scimitar would be decent too.
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Post by The Apostasy on Oct 12, 2007 23:05:24 GMT
Think running a planewalker would be worth the juggle? I mean, I like the idea of never having to mess with wb or lev rings but would I be sacrificing too much ab and feats to merit the subby change? I also think it would be cool to put all the crafting to good use on a char I can pimp the looks off.
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Post by valdrim on Oct 14, 2007 5:14:15 GMT
Not being able to see crafted stuff IS annoying - plainwalker will be short by a little on Str - that is not super bad - but will loose a feat which sucks. having extra ring on Ssith is nice I guess. I would just go with a martial weapon - and drop reflex to 59 (by taking only Epic Reflex) and not lightning / ll reflex. If you really needed Exotic - then drop 2 Great Str - and take Exotic + spring attack
Just tagged immo on mine. Build is Great Fun to play for sure. Lots and Lots of crits for good damage. That is even without a good weapon. If i had a 35 rare or something comparable would be even better. Was able to help a ton in both Lloth and Immo. Walked through Xul with him - slapping the drey around like they were nothing
Anyway - now time to do some desert runs with him and get him leveled on up! :-) that will have to wait a few days prob.
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Post by kaldair on Oct 14, 2007 15:29:08 GMT
The Planewalker offers a lot more than just "..having extra ring on Ssith ...". Having the extra ring on all of the Desert maps, most of the Rona maps, and around half of the DB maps is a significant advantage. Not to mention what areas the future might bring ...
Kaldair
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Post by valdrim on Oct 14, 2007 18:39:09 GMT
The build was done with Stinger - and I was comparing to that. Stinger does not need lev ring - it is only underwater areas that it is an improvement in that regard. Not sure about Rona, but was not thinking it was water based.
Future maps - sure - agreed - I would imagine a water map is coming up at some point (if Rona is not it - don't know for certain since not been there yet)
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Post by kaldair on Oct 15, 2007 0:29:54 GMT
Oh I see. I guess I misinterpreted your context then when you typed "...plainwalker will be short by a little on Str .." right before the Ssith line I qouted. 0.o
Kaldair
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