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Post by gandoron on Jul 28, 2009 21:45:18 GMT
Dodge AC and Shield AC doesn't transfer. Ammy Nat armor AC does transfer now, but you can go with a zero AC amulet and still receive natural shifter AC, or get barkskin from a true Druid. Remember not to unshift when running. using 0,9,9 on the numpad is the fastest way to spam dragon breath. If you click target, you can end up moving accidentally.
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Post by dodrudon on Jul 28, 2009 23:29:45 GMT
Dodge AC does transfer, Natural does not.
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Post by sabregirl on Jul 28, 2009 23:31:33 GMT
Dodge AC does transfer, Natural does not. Wrong. Since a couple updates ago. Natural DOES transfer currently as does dodge. The only AC that doesn't transfer is Shield, and there is no wisdom AC from monk levels. -S
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Post by dodrudon on Jul 28, 2009 23:32:47 GMT
Class documentation needs to be fixed then =(
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Post by tyranlthixis on Aug 17, 2009 18:44:01 GMT
Adjusted build according to the new Legendary Form Focus tomes now available from Lolcats and recent animal empathy changes.
Tyranlthixis
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Post by Lastone Yusee [SL] on Aug 20, 2009 17:12:11 GMT
Not sure if this has been mentioned but I noted a couple of things you might want to clarify in your updated build Sabre/Tyran:
Equipment setup Equipment ... any monk abilities are still fully functional, which now only include monk progression for unarmed forms. -EDIT- Also includes Flurry, Evasion, Improved Unarmed Attack etc.
... Remember that GMW will stack but buffs like FW, darkfire, deafening clang will NOT transfer so don't bother asking for them. -EDIT- Keen does transfer.
Also, in relation to the 2nd edit - do those buffs transfer to armed forms?
And one other comment - you may want to buff CHA too if you need the boost to AE.
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Post by greven on Aug 20, 2009 22:19:06 GMT
My shifter has undead focus, and here are a few thoughts about playing the shapes:
Banshee: Very nice shape if the party lacks a pm or for taking out creatures with high SR that lack death immunity. Sonic is often a good damage type to use, so don't ignore the sonic howl. Ok conceal/terrible AC (for comparision, my mage at the same level has 20% better conceal and 12 higher ac), so be careful when using the saves decrease aura.
Spectre: Bestow Curse is nice for lowering SR if nobody else in the party is bestowing. If you plan on using the drain touch attack frequently or on high conceal enemies, make sure to have maxed listen (which you should have on a shifter anyway for other touch attacks). Again you have ok conceal and terrible ac in this form so use caution when using the touch attack.
Risen Lord: Very Poor AC compared to the Minotaur and Dire Tiger Shapes (although better than the other undead forms), but it does 1.5x str modifer damage (wields a weapon larger than it) and the slay living on hit is frequently nice.
Vampire: If you already have a dominated creature, it is best to use the illithid gaze instead of the dom gaze. The utility of the GS ability is limited by the fact that you can't res your party in this form. Vampiric touch I don't use; you have better options that don't require your squishy self to be so close to the enemy.
Baelnorn: Good form offensively against undead, or if you are facing a boss that is weak vs. positive damage. Stay as far away from the enemies as you can.
General: you are immune to crits, but generally have such poor defense otherwise that you want to avoid having any monster on you while in undead shape. Some enemies can and will turn you; I haven't been destroyed but being immobilzed for several rounds isn't good either.
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Post by Yomi on Aug 20, 2009 23:22:21 GMT
My shifter has LFF3 in wildshape and undead, and I use Banshee a lot in Hells and Elysium. While I agree the AC is stunningly low (it's in the 90s while wearing BURs and an Asmo item), I've found I do a lot better in that form than Manticore for example. Manticore's ~115 AC doesn't make a huge difference to whether I'm hit or not, Banshee has quite a bit of innate conceal, and Banshee is crit immune. That last especially usually gives me time to move away when something starts hitting me, while with Manticore or Medusa there's a good chance I'll get double critted and nearly dead as my first indication something is hitting me.
Other than that I agree with most of it. The Banshee aura is pretty useful if you have a weak bard or just want stuff insta-killed quicker, though it does mean you have to get more into the thick of things than usual and it eats EP quickly. The sonic blast is very effective in Elysium.
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Post by greven on Aug 21, 2009 1:48:07 GMT
I agree that the banshee is less squishy than the distance attacker wildshape forms such as Manticore or Beholder. It is more squishy than most other toons that I see in Hells that have an incentive to go very near the enemies ("glass cannon" builds being the obvious exception).
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Post by Chaos on Aug 22, 2009 21:34:06 GMT
A few questions:
1. Going to be reincing in a few days and wondering if i use my construct book if I will get it back after reinc? If not ill just skip playing it till then.
2. What other form focus would you take? I am thinking Wildshape, Construct and Dragon....but also maybe Wildshape, Construct and Undead? Which would you guys recommend?
Chaos
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Post by Acaos on Aug 22, 2009 23:56:18 GMT
Epodes are not returned when you reincarnate.
Acaos
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Post by tyranlthixis on Aug 23, 2009 0:42:47 GMT
Well I know that Wildshape 3/Construct 3/Dragon 3 is a solid combo. Wildshape for form diversity, construct for poison and amni immune, breath for sheer damage, defense, and wind killing. This combo will make your shifter very useful in any area of the mod. As for the others, I really need to test them.
Tyranlthixis
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Post by tyranlthixis on Aug 23, 2009 6:37:20 GMT
Equipment set ups are very flexible. Ultimately it will come down to Asmo Torch vs Asmo Amulet + shield of choice. Sabre uses the Torch for critical hit immunity. I prefer the Amulet for the skills, physical DR, and shield usage. wiki.hgweb.org/wiki/Ruby_Rod_of_Asmodeuswiki.hgweb.org/wiki/Amulet_of_Ordered_MalevolenceHere's a set up that works fairly well. Scintillating Scarf Osyluth Scales (for 25% acid imm, fear and poison immunity) Amulet of Ordered Malevolence or Rangers Medal Greater Psi Actuator Nature's Boots Cloak of Choice (I use Kytons Cover with 25/ div atm, adds /50 sonic immunity to set up) Bracers of Many Eyes (abo drop, for parry) or Gloves of choice Pyroclastic Flow (/50 aci /50 fire, fire and acid immunity) My Greater Psi actuator provides +14 strength, wis, con and one other and natures boots have +14 dex and high animal empathy. With my current build animal empathy will sit at 126 at double demi (127 with double demi and +14 charisma item). Tyranlthixis
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Post by dodrudon on Aug 23, 2009 8:19:48 GMT
Playing as Undead and planning on getting Construct, I definitely prefer other Asmo item. I like Planewalker + Asmo Helm for an awesome combo. Helm gives stats and UEF, which prevents Blindness (which prevents gaze attacks and is devastating for touch attacks). Ely anti-blind armor might be good, but I prefer Carapace or Stygian Ice for immunities.
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Post by gandoron on Aug 24, 2009 18:54:16 GMT
The asmo rod is a good choice. I currently use the asmo gloves. This gives me more phys and elem imm%, as well as 10% for magic/div, which is great for spiking. I was using the ammy of leg defender for 25/- mag, but now that you can get that from other items I'm going to have to switch some stuff up. I normally use breach boots, but natures boots are great for AE. I have used the carapace since the beginning for elem imm% and phys resist, however I am thinking to switch to the Shroud of Earth Mother, lower phys imm, equal elem imm% (and cold over elec) but amazing discipline and AE, also I have one with +14 to the 3 stats.
-Graham
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