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Post by starlandra on Apr 2, 2009 19:28:07 GMT
I hardly post builds here anymore, but I wanted to share this one and see what you think. I tested the crud out of it, and got her demi'd easily enough.
0 Kolyarut: (Quick to Master, Spring Attack, Mobility, Dodge) 1 R 01: Ranger(1): Strong Soul, Bullheaded, Favored Enemy: Outsiders, {Dual Wield} 2 R 02: Ranger(2) 3 R 03: Ranger(3): Weapon Proficiency Exotic 4 R 04: Ranger(4): STR+1, (STR=21) 5 R 05: Ranger(5): Favored Enemy: Monstrous Humanoids 6 R 06: Ranger(6): Weapon Focus: Bastard Sword 7 R 07: Ranger(7) 8 R 08: Ranger(8): STR+1, (STR=22) 9 SD 09: Shadowdancer(1): Improved Critical: Bastard Sword, {Hide in Plain Sight} 10 SD 10: Shadowdancer(2): {Darkvision, Evasion, Uncanny Dodge I} 11 SD 11: Shadowdancer(3) 12 SD 12: Shadowdancer(4): STR+1, Power Attack, (STR=23) 13 SD 13: Shadowdancer(5): {Defensive Roll} 14 SD 14: Shadowdancer(6) 15 SD 15: Shadowdancer(7): Cleave, {Slippery Mind} 16 SD 16: Shadowdancer(8): STR+1, (STR=24) 17 SD 17: Shadowdancer(9) 18 SD 18: Shadowdancer(10): Great Cleave, {Improved Evasion} 19 P 19: Paladin(1) 20 R 20: Ranger(9): STR+1, {Improved Two-Weapon Fighting}, (STR=25) 21 SD 21: Shadowdancer(11): Epic Prowess 22 SD 22: Shadowdancer(12) 23 SD 23: Shadowdancer(13): Great Dexterity I, (DEX=21) 24 SD 24: Shadowdancer(14): STR+1, Epic Weapon Focus: Bastard Sword, (STR=26) 25 SD 25: Shadowdancer(15) 26 SD 26: Shadowdancer(16): Great Dexterity II, (DEX=22) 27 SD 27: Shadowdancer(17): Overwhelming Critical: Bastard Sword 28 SD 28: Shadowdancer(18): STR+1, (STR=27) 29 SD 29: Shadowdancer(19): Great Dexterity III, (DEX=23) 30 SD 30: Shadowdancer(20): Devastating Critical: Bastard Sword 31 SD 31: Shadowdancer(21) 32 SD 32: Shadowdancer(22): STR+1, Great Dexterity IV, (STR=28), (DEX=24) 33 SD 33: Shadowdancer(23): Great Dexterity V, (DEX=25) 34 SD 34: Shadowdancer(24) 35 SD 35: Shadowdancer(25): Great Dexterity VI, (DEX=26) 36 SD 36: Shadowdancer(26): STR+1, Great Strength I, (STR=30) 37 SD 37: Shadowdancer(27) 38 SD 38: Shadowdancer(28): Epic Dodge 39 SD 39: Shadowdancer(29): Great Strength II, (STR=31) 40 SD 40: Shadowdancer(30): STR+1, (STR=32)
41 42 (STR=33) LSF: Discipline 43 44 (STR=34) 45 Legendary Hardened Soul 46 (STR=35) 47 48 (STR=36) Legendary Weapon Focus 49 50 (STR=37) 51 Great Strength III, (STR=38) 52 (STR=39) 53 54 (STR=40) Great Strength IV, (STR=41) 55 56 (STR=42) 57 Armor Skin 58 (STR=43) 59 60 (STR=44) Epic Will
Summary Class Race Ranger(9), Paladin(1), Shadowdancer(50), Kolyarut base / at 60 with gear / double demi / arti Abilties STR: 20 (56) [60] {62} DEX: 20 (38) [42] CON: 16 (28) [32] WIS: 10 (22) [26] INT: 14 (26) [30] CHA: 08 (20) [24]
Statistic Hitpoints: 460 @ level 40 Skillpoints: 359 @ level 40 Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 25/18/28 @ lvl 60 w/gear 67/64/65 (double demi 69/66/67) AB 27 base + 23 str + 20 buffs + 4 feats + 15 LLAB + 1 craft - 4 dualwield med weap = 86 dual 90 w/shield (double demi with arti 89 dual 93 w/shield) AC 10 base + 14 dex + 2 armor skin + 22 light armor + 4 ranger bonus + 20 dodge + 20 natural ac (strongheart) + 17 deflection + 2 gird +12 tumble = 123 dual wielding (138 with bur med shield) 128 double demi 143 with shield
I really have a lot of fun with str/uni tank. She never gets kd, she can dual with the lower ac with no problems. I think i only used a shield on 'jinxed' runs and on asmo, and there is something just oh so satisfying about unlimited non cool down timer GS. The shadow decoy is not so great, but the neg weap buff is very handy and 11 a rest is a decent number of buffs, please if you go 50 SD you get the bonus attack at level 60. So when you chose to dual wield you are getting 8 attacks a round
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Post by Hercules on Jun 22, 2009 21:29:48 GMT
Can this be adapted to DEX version and how will this turn out then ? AB ? AC ? Why B-Swords ? dont you get penalties from medium weapon ?
Herc
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Post by starlandra on Jun 22, 2009 21:41:27 GMT
Dex is easy enough, I will wipe one up in a sec, I just hate being a dexer in hell is all. At any time on this build, if I swap on a shield I get over 140 ac. B-swords get a -4 ab but I am still 93+ab range with maxed wisdom so not a big deal.
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Post by starlandra on Jun 22, 2009 22:39:34 GMT
Here is what I pieced together quickly, don't think I missed anything...
40 Kolyarut: (Quick to Master, Spring Attack, Mobility, Dodge) R 01: Ranger(1): Strong Soul, Bullheaded, Favored Enemy: Aberrations, {Dual Wield} R 02: Ranger(2) R 03: Ranger(3): Weapon Proficiency Exotic R 04: Ranger(4): STR+1, (STR=22) R 05: Ranger(5): Favored Enemy: Outsiders R 06: Ranger(6): Weapon Focus: Bastard Sword R 07: Ranger(7) R 08: Ranger(8): STR+1, (STR=23) SD 09: Shadowdancer(1): Weapon Finesse, {Hide in Plain Sight} SD 10: Shadowdancer(2): {Darkvision, Evasion, Uncanny Dodge I} SD 11: Shadowdancer(3) SD 12: Shadowdancer(4): STR+1, Power Attack, (STR=24) SD 13: Shadowdancer(5): {Defensive Roll} SD 14: Shadowdancer(6) SD 15: Shadowdancer(7): Cleave, {Slippery Mind} SD 16: Shadowdancer(8): STR+1, (STR=25) SD 17: Shadowdancer(9) SD 18: Shadowdancer(10): Improved Critical: Bastard Sword, {Improved Evasion} R 19: Ranger(9): {Improved Two-Weapon Fighting} P 20: Paladin(1): STR+1, (STR=26) SD 21: Shadowdancer(11): Great Cleave SD 22: Shadowdancer(12) SD 23: Shadowdancer(13): Great Dexterity I, (DEX=22) SD 24: Shadowdancer(14): DEX+1, Overwhelming Critical: Bastard Sword, (DEX=23) SD 25: Shadowdancer(15) SD 26: Shadowdancer(16): Great Dexterity II, (DEX=24) SD 27: Shadowdancer(17): Devastating Critical: Bastard Sword SD 28: Shadowdancer(18): DEX+1, (DEX=25) SD 29: Shadowdancer(19): Great Dexterity III, (DEX=26) SD 30: Shadowdancer(20): Epic Weapon Focus: Bastard Sword SD 31: Shadowdancer(21) SD 32: Shadowdancer(22): DEX+1, Great Dexterity IV, (DEX=28) SD 33: Shadowdancer(23): Epic Prowess SD 34: Shadowdancer(24) SD 35: Shadowdancer(25): Great Dexterity V, (DEX=29) SD 36: Shadowdancer(26): DEX+1, Armor Skin, (DEX=30) SD 37: Shadowdancer(27) SD 38: Shadowdancer(28): Epic Dodge SD 39: Shadowdancer(29): Great Dexterity VI, (DEX=31) SD 40: Shadowdancer(30): DEX+1, (DEX=32)
41 42 dex +1 LSA: Discipline 43 44 dex +1 45 LWF: Bastard Sword 46 dex +1 47 48 dex +1 Great Dexerity VII 49 50 dex +1 51 Great Dexerity VIII 52 dex +1 53 54 dex +1 Great Dexerity IX 55 56 dex +1 57 Great Dexerity X 58 dex +1 59 60 dex +1 Legendary Soul Class Race Ranger(9), Paladin(1), Shadowdancer(50), Kolyarut (at 40) [at 60 w/ gear] Abilies STR: 21 (26) [38] DEX: 21 (32) [58] CON: 14 [26] WIS: 10 [22] INT: 14 [26] CHA: 06 [18] Hitpoints: 420 at 40. 620 at 60. 860 with gear Skillpoints: 539 Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): @40 24/18/31 @60 w/gear 66/60/75 AB 27 base + 24 dex + 4 feats + 1 craft - 4 dual wielding + 15 LLAB + 20 buffs = 87 ab when dualing 90 @ double demi with dex artifact. With max listen not an issue (so 1 ab higher than the str version) AC 10 base + 20 dex (capped by armor) + 4 wisdom + 22 light armor + 20 dodge + 17 natural + 17 deflection + 2 gird + 1 craft + 12 tumble +2 armor skin = 127 ac dual wielding, (142 w/ bur shield) 133 double demi with dex artifact 148 with shield.
Now this is a dex variant of a uni like the other is a str variant. Neither will get KD hardly every (never after you double demi) If you ditched dev crit and went pure dex, you could boost your AC and AB by 3 Skills @ 60 Animal Empathy 16(14), Concentration 23(25), Craft Armor 23(25), Craft Weapon 23(25), Discipline 63, Hide 63, Listen 63, Move Silently 8(19), Parry 23(34), Pick Pocket 63, Search 63, Tumble 63 (some spare point to put wherever you want)
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Post by starlandra on Mar 27, 2010 14:07:47 GMT
my ab calc are wrong... at single demi, dualing I was getting 93 ab. so 92 pre demi, 96 pre demi with shield. AB is not as bad as I was thinking for some reason. Not sure what I missed, will take a screenie with !list ab next time I log her in and take a closer look.
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Post by Talamanthalon on May 2, 2010 23:55:37 GMT
What is the reason for the following, I can't seem to find any documentation that calls for it on a shadow dancer? Hide 63
I'm running this build and am thinking of dropping hide 63 and going with persuade or bluff now due to the newest and coolest effects. Also could adjust to Craft Weapon 63 to pull out another +1 AB with bard song to compensate for str loss below as recommended.
Also, I'm trying to figure out what to drop to also pickup superior critical and power critical for even more yummy damage output, on the strength variant. Any ideas? Want to keep the dev crit line as well.
Was thinking to drop to Gr. Str, for both power crit and sup crit. How do you think it'd perform with +14 str item and +2 artie?
Was also thinking to drop epic will and pickup Greater Weapon Focus to compensate for loss of str ab.
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Post by starlandra on May 3, 2010 0:20:50 GMT
hide is useless.. I think I just had tons of extra points laying around. When I made this build those new options were not available, and SD's have been notorious for poor skill point selections.
I don't think it can afford to drop any str... ab is just too low. This build was feat strapped to begin with. If you have a stygian razor and wanna go with katanas, it opens up a lot of free feats, and gives room for those feats. the only new feat I really like is greater weapon focus... I just find power crit way too easy to get from augs, and really this weap (or katana) both crit sooo often I doubt you really need power crit etc...
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Post by Talamanthalon on May 3, 2010 0:34:43 GMT
You have the LBAB calculated at +15 but that's for Tier 1 class, think SD is Tier 2 LBAB so is the AB -3 lower? So is it AB - 83 dual wielding, for the str variant?
Tier 2: Bard, Cleric, Druid, Rogue, Assassin, Red Dragon Disciple, Shadowdancer, Shifter AB increases at level 41, 43, 45, 47, 49, 50, 51, 53, 55, 57, 59, and 60, for a total of +12 BAB at level 60.
Could also drop Pick Pocket and go with Max Taunt for effective AC drop to target to help.
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Post by starlandra on May 3, 2010 1:10:20 GMT
well it is an old build that I recently made dex.. it is a great LL build and will work great as a double demi in my opinion but ab was just low enough for me to get tired of it after a bit with single demi. Was tagged up to nessus for x2 and went ahead and reincarnated... Prob should have pressed on to double.
So, yeah I prob need to focus on raising ab, but again, it is set up so you can swap to shield easy enough for the +4 ab bonus, and 140+ ac. for a time it was my favorite tank actually, the main reason I went dex is the abyss and I regret that now that I have explored it more, and learned that dex is not near as importantly as the first wave of people said it was. I will try to test chamber soon and see if I can bump up ab a bit.
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Post by Talamanthalon on May 3, 2010 1:14:31 GMT
Tell you what I'm having a ton of fun on this build, but definitely noticing the AB issue. I think some of those changes will definitely help it out.
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Post by starlandra on May 3, 2010 17:55:06 GMT
ok Talamanthalon, you made me do it.... you MADE me go back to my numbers and recalc a better build, and now.... I hate the fact I redid my SD to a dex, and can't wait the remaining 2 months to change it back lol... here is my new breakdown, and 'shock' it has good ab Kolyarut: (Quick to Master, Spring Attack, Mobility, Dodge) 01: Ranger(1): Bullheaded, Strong Soul, Favored Enemy: Aberrations, {Dual Wield} 02: Ranger(2) 03: Ranger(3): Weapon Focus: Shortsword 04: Ranger(4): STR+1, (STR=21) 05: Ranger(5): Favored Enemy: Outsiders 06: Ranger(6): Power Attack 07: Ranger(7) 08: Ranger(8): STR+1, (STR=22) 09: Shadowdancer(1): Cleave, {Hide in Plain Sight} 10: Shadowdancer(2): {Darkvision, Evasion, Uncanny Dodge I} 11: Shadowdancer(3) 12: Shadowdancer(4): STR+1, Improved Critical: Shortsword, (STR=23) 13: Shadowdancer(5): {Defensive Roll} 14: Shadowdancer(6) 15: Shadowdancer(7): Great Cleave, {Slippery Mind} 16: Shadowdancer(8): STR+1, (STR=24) 17: Shadowdancer(9) 18: Shadowdancer(10): {Improved Evasion} Greater Weapon Focus: Shortsword 19: Paladin(1) 20: Ranger(9): STR+1, {Improved Two-Weapon Fighting}, (STR=25) 21: Shadowdancer(11): Epic Weapon Focus: Shortsword 22: Shadowdancer(12) 23: Shadowdancer(13): Great Strength I, (STR=26) 24: Shadowdancer(14): STR+1, Epic Prowess, (STR=27) 25: Shadowdancer(15) 26: Shadowdancer(16): Great Strength II, (STR=28) 27: Shadowdancer(17): Overwhelming Critical: Shortsword 28: Shadowdancer(18): STR+1, (STR=29) 29: Shadowdancer(19): Great Strength III, (STR=30) 30: Shadowdancer(20): Devastating Critical: Shortsword 31: Shadowdancer(21) 32: Shadowdancer(22): STR+1, Great Strength IV, (STR=32) 33: Shadowdancer(23): Armor Skin 34: Shadowdancer(24) 35: Shadowdancer(25): Great Strength V, (STR=33) 36: Shadowdancer(26): STR+1, Great Strength VI, (STR=35) 37: Shadowdancer(27) 38: Shadowdancer(28): Great Strength VII, (STR=36) 39: Shadowdancer(29): Great Strength VIII, (STR=37) 40: Shadowdancer(30): STR+1, (STR=38) 41 42 +1 Str LSA: Discipline 43 44 +1 Str 45 Legendary Strong Soul 46 +1 Str 47 48 +1 Str Legendary Weapon Focus: Shortsword 49 50 +1 Str 51 Great Strength IX 52 +1 Str 53 54 +1 Str Great Strength X 55 56 +1 Str 57 Power Critical: Short Sword 58 +1 Str 59 60 +1 Str Freebee! Prob Epic Iron Will Paladin(1), Ranger(9), Shadowdancer(30), Kolyarut STR: 20 (38) 64 str at 60 with +14 gear DEX: 20 CON: 14 WIS: 10 INT: 16 CHA: 8 Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 31/25/32 at 60 with gear 61/55 (59 w/ epic iron will) /57 AB 27 base + 12 LLAB + 1 wf + 1 gwf + 2 ewf + 4 lwf + 3 craft weapon + 27 str -2 dual + 20 buffs = 95 ab dual wielding. 96 w/ str artifact. 97 at demi, 98 at double demi. AC 10 base + 12 dex (light armor) + 22 armor + 4 wisdom (ranger bonus) + 12 tumble + 17 natural + 17 deflection + 20 dodge + 3 craft + 2 armor skin = 119 (121 gird, 124 with strongheart, 125 at demi, 126 at double demi, 129 with asmo aftifact and 140+ with shield for sticky spots) at 60 all these skills are max unless otherwise marked Concentration 20, Craft Armor, Craft Weapon, Discipline, Hide 10, Listen, Move Silently 6, Persuade, Pick Pocket, Search, Tumble now I went shortshord firstly because it is only -2 ab instead of +4, and secondly, I have an abyss shortsword and abyss weaps are REALLLLLY good.
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Post by Talamanthalon on May 3, 2010 22:19:04 GMT
Animal! Dammit I just rebuilt this last night too , I'm trying out the power crit and superior crit option. I went taunt route instead of persuade. I kept it uni instead of going full str or full dex. I dropped two STR on this build to pickup the pow/sup crits. I had to try it out, just because I could the str/dex yumminess combo was too good not to try out. I'll let you know how it turned out as I play more. I kept the bastard swords instead of dropping to smaller weapons because the crit,crit,crit,crit,crit is just too much fun right now and the damage is great, 400+ crits at lvl 54, extra attacks should be even juicier. I think the GWF, and +14 stats, and +2 from Craft Weapon will makeup for the -2 STR adjustment and the sup/power crits should easily makeup for the loss of damage. On top of that the Taunt adjustment to AC + now personal bard song will just be icing on the cake. When I hit 50 SD for the extra attack the damage should only climb. ====== Looks like this, very straight forward swaps ====== 0 Kolyarut: (Quick to Master, Spring Attack, Mobility, Dodge) 1 R 01: Ranger(1): Strong Soul, Bullheaded, Favored Enemy: Aberration, {Dual Wield} 2 R 02: Ranger(2) 3 R 03: Ranger(3): Weapon Proficiency Exotic 4 R 04: Ranger(4): STR+1, (STR=21) 5 R 05: Ranger(5): Favored Enemy: Outsiders 6 R 06: Ranger(6): Weapon Focus: Bastard Sword 7 R 07: Ranger(7) 8 R 08: Ranger(8): STR+1, (STR=22) 9 SD 09: Shadowdancer(1): Improved Critical: Bastard Sword, {Hide in Plain Sight} 10 SD 10: Shadowdancer(2): {Darkvision, Evasion, Uncanny Dodge I} 11 SD 11: Shadowdancer(3) 12 SD 12: Shadowdancer(4): STR+1, Power Attack, (STR=23) 13 SD 13: Shadowdancer(5): {Defensive Roll} 14 SD 14: Shadowdancer(6) 15 SD 15: Shadowdancer(7): Cleave, {Slippery Mind} 16 SD 16: Shadowdancer(8): STR+1, (STR=24) 17 SD 17: Shadowdancer(9) 18 SD 18: Shadowdancer(10): Great Cleave, {Improved Evasion} 19 P 19: Paladin(1) 20 R 20: Ranger(9): STR+1, {Improved Two-Weapon Fighting}, (STR=25) 21 SD 21: Shadowdancer(11): Epic Prowess 22 SD 22: Shadowdancer(12) 23 SD 23: Shadowdancer(13): Great Dexterity I, (DEX=21) 24 SD 24: Shadowdancer(14): STR+1, Epic Weapon Focus: Bastard Sword, (STR=26) 25 SD 25: Shadowdancer(15) 26 SD 26: Shadowdancer(16): Great Dexterity II, (DEX=22) 27 SD 27: Shadowdancer(17): Overwhelming Critical: Bastard Sword 28 SD 28: Shadowdancer(18): STR+1, (STR=27) 29 SD 29: Shadowdancer(19): Great Dexterity III, (DEX=23) 30 SD 30: Shadowdancer(20): Devastating Critical: Bastard Sword 31 SD 31: Shadowdancer(21) 32 SD 32: Shadowdancer(22): STR+1, Great Dexterity IV, (STR=28), (DEX=24) 33 SD 33: Shadowdancer(23): Great Dexterity V, (DEX=25) 34 SD 34: Shadowdancer(24) 35 SD 35: Shadowdancer(25): Great Dexterity VI, (DEX=26) 36 SD 36: Shadowdancer(26): STR+1, Great Strength I, (STR=30) 37 SD 37: Shadowdancer(27) 38 SD 38: Shadowdancer(28): Epic Dodge 39 SD 39: Shadowdancer(29): Great Strength II, (STR=31) 40 SD 40: Shadowdancer(30): STR+1, (STR=32) 41 42 (STR=33) Power Critical 43 44 (STR=34) 45 Superior Critical 46 (STR=35) 47 48 (STR=36) LSF: Discipline 49 50 (STR=37) 51 Legendary Weapon Focus 52 (STR=38) 53 54 (STR=39) Legendary Hardened Soul 55 56 (STR=40) 57 Greater Weapon Focus 58 (STR=41) 59 60 (STR=42) Armor Skin Summary Class Race Ranger(9), Paladin(1), Shadowdancer(50), Kolyarut base / at 60 with gear / double demi / arti Abilties 15 STR: 20 (54) 15 DEX: 20 (38) [42] 14 CON: 16 (28) [32] 12 WIS: 10 (22) [26] 12 INT: 14 (26) [30] 10 CHA: 08 (20) [24] SD: Hide +10, Move Silenty +8, Tumble +5 Statistic Hitpoints: 460 @ level 40 Skillpoints: 539 @ level 40 Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 25/18/28 @ lvl 60 w/gear 67/64/65 (double demi 69/66/67) AB 27 base + 23 str + 20 buffs + 4 feats + 15 LLAB + 1 craft - 4 dualwield med weap = 86 dual 90 w/shield (double demi with arti 89 dual 93 w/shield) AC 10 base + 14 dex + 2 armor skin + 22 light armor + 4 ranger bonus + 20 dodge + 20 natural ac (strongheart) + 17 deflection + 2 gird +12 tumble = 123 dual wielding (138 with bur med shield) 128 double demi 143 with shield Skills @ 60 Discipline 63, Listen 63, Tumble 63 Search 63, Taunt 63, Craft Weapon 63 Concentration 23(25) Rest Parry Craft Armor 40(25) - DONE Move Silently 8(19) - DONE Hide 10 (20) - DONE
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Post by starlandra on May 3, 2010 22:27:31 GMT
well I did put in power critical, just not sup crit because the dex is not high enough. My version is very close to a uni though, with 34 dex pre demi, 38 dex at double. I was able to jack up the str to 64 pre demi, pre artifact, which gives a yummy 8 more str from 56 for 4 more ab (plus 2 more from small weaps and 1 more from GWF) which I think will really help this build be viable, and fun again.
Your version while as stated before will most likely rock the LL runs really well, might suffer from pens on the ab with a str of only 54 at level 60 (do you have +14 gear or is that with +12?)
And how are you going to put anything into parry? That is not a SD skill choice.
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Post by Talamanthalon on May 3, 2010 22:30:23 GMT
I ended up with about 25 - 30 in parry, just leftover skill points. It's a terror in LL but I do like the str changes you made, I just get nervous when saves drop that low. However, with your str changes you could really run +saves artie now and compensate on the saves with that, which I like espeically with the 10 round GR and +20 skills.
Once I run it into hells I'll let you know how it's holding up for AB and damage.
Str was +12 gear so would be 56 with +14 gear and the nice thing is all of my Uni Barb gear will work on this char so I have a full complement of +14 gear for this char already for all stats.
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Post by starlandra on May 3, 2010 23:43:50 GMT
oh my saves are +2 across the board since I am demi 63 61 59 As for saves. other than things like the river styx, their importance is over rated. Nice to have, but not worth going thru any dramatic changes to get. Now for a newer player the saves arti is a great option mainly cause they are much easier to get whereas the str arties drop on abo only, and are extremely valuable.
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