Pariah (20barb/20sorc)

[kingcamaro]

My Pariah is 5x demi.
not seen an updated build posted in a very long time, so here is one.

Maelephant Gnome
2 Barb, 1 sorc, 2 barb, 1 sorc, 2 barb, 1 sorc, 11 Sorc, 3 Barb, 5 Sorc, 11 Barb, 1 Sorc

Stat	Start	Sub	Pariah	lvl 60
Str:	10	14	14	30
Dex:	8 	8	6	18
Con:	20	26	26	72
Int:	8	8	8	20
Wis:	10	10	10	22
Cha:	15	15	19	31

Pre Epic Feats
(AP: Heavy, Toughness, ESF: Intimidate/Taunt, SF Illusion)
GSF Illusion
SF Trans
GSF Trans
Still Spell
Spell Pen
G Spell Pen
Iron Will

Epic Feats
G Con I
G Con II
G Con III
G Con IV
G Con V
G Con VI
G Con VII

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Read Evo Book
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LL Feats
E Spell Pen
LL Spell Pen
ESF Trans
ESF Illusion
G Con VIII
G Con IX
G Con X

Skillz
Concentration (lvl 40 dump)
Spellcraft (lvl 40 dump)
Discipline (max in LL!)
Taunt (max in LL!)
Tumble (lvl 60 dump)

Used Con Arti

Pariah gain +4 cha, Armor Skin, Auto Still spell I-III, SP = to con when raging and Regen = (con/20) every 3 seconds
Pariah have their base dex set to 6
Legendary Barbarians gain +1 con and str at lvls 45, 50, 55 & 60, gain 1% immunity to physical damage for every two points of Strength modifier they have. (5% for this build).

Equpid with:
Head: Helm of Zeal
Chest: Carpace of Smouldering Stone (Bastion of the Fallen Lord after demi)
Boots: Boots of the Axerian Grandmaster
Arms: Gauntlets of Transposed Energy
Right Hand: Staff of the Axerian Grandmaster
Left Hand: Wings of the Storm
Cloak: Cloak of the Axerian Grandmaster
Left Ring: Ring of Inverted Weaves
Right Ring: Band of Anubis
Neck: Spectre's Necklace
Belt: Belt of the Axerian Grandmaster

ok, so this is the build i am currently using, but there are variations to it.
here are things to take note of:
1) ESF in illusion, trans, evo... LL spell focus and max con (you only get +14 GMW instead of +15) (my current build)
2) LL focuses, max con, drop spell pen feats, and rely on raging
3) LL focuses, G Con 6, LL spell pen and have a free feat (personally LL will) this was my first build.

[maljin]

Nice to see a recent pariah build; I haven't seen lots of them (in game either) lately. Some questions:

- What about saves? Reflex is low anyway, but what about will? If you go only 6 barb and 14 sorc pre-epic you'll gain some more will and lose some fort which wouldn't bother a pariah with that con score anyway. You might have some more levels with an xp penalty though...

- Is one meta magic feat enough for flexibility? Guess it depends on play style, but I always thought either empower or max spell (aside one meta feat that allows you to cast spells one grade higher like still, extend or silent) is more than just a good idea for a caster.

- Are there more illusion spells beside displacement and weird/phantasmal killer you're using frequently? I know weird is very handy but I'd consider dropping that school entirely for lsf:evo and lsf:trans. Even though you'd "waste" the free gnome feat and lsf:trans and max con is most likely overkill (dc wise) for Flesh to Stone, lsf:evo would benefit your level 8 hands with 6 more ab.

- Mind sharing spells chosen?

thanks,
maljin

[Naeblis]

Along the lines of the previous questions, are your class choices at each level picked based on optimizing feat and spell access?

[kingcamaro]

- What about saves? Reflex is low anyway, but what about will? If you go only 6 barb and 14 sorc pre-epic you'll gain some more will and lose some fort which wouldn't bother a pariah with that con score anyway. You might have some more levels with an xp penalty though...

i wouldnt even bother with reflex... though if you gain more will saves taking 14 sorc pre epic, go for it.

- Is one meta magic feat enough for flexibility? Guess it depends on play style, but I always thought either empower or max spell (aside one meta feat that allows you to cast spells one grade higher like still, extend or silent) is more than just a good idea for a caster.

yeah, its plenty for flexibility
flesh to stone is used mainly in lvl 6 and 7 slots... lvl 8 and 9 i mainly use lvl 8 hand, and wierd (actually, the only time i use a lvl 7 spell is finger of death for dmg if neg is far superior to hands)

- Are there more illusion spells beside displacement and weird/phantasmal killer you're using frequently? I know weird is very handy but I'd consider dropping that school entirely for lsf:evo and lsf:trans. Even though you'd "waste" the free gnome feat and lsf:trans and max con is most likely overkill (dc wise) for Flesh to Stone, lsf:evo would benefit your level 8 hands with 6 more ab.

wierd is the only reason you want to have illusion... it is so helpful in so many places, aside from wierd... ghostly visage for a quick GS... if your getting beat on by alot of things, and theyre beating your regen rate, a quick GV will allow you to regen that HP back... treat it as your way of healing... but it depends on your spell choices too i guess.

as for spell choices:
lvl9:
wierd
bigby
mords

lvl8:
bigby
mindblank
greater sanc

lvl7:
bigby
finger of death
spell mantle

lvl6:
bigby
flesh to stone
stone to flesh

lvl5:
bigby
energy buffer
firebrand
mestil acid sheath

lvl4:
bestow curse
elemental shield
remove curse
wall of fire

lvl3:
GMW
gust
keen
slow (needs a DC increase imo)

lvl2:
death armor
FW
GV
acid arrow
stone bones

lvl1:
burning hands
endure elements
expedious retreat
grease
MW

Along the lines of the previous questions, are your class choices at each level picked based on optimizing feat and spell access?

20/20 because for barb CC, it has to be the highest class you are (with 20/20 your first class is your CC) and 20 sorc to have access to 3 lvl 9 spells (19 sorc would only get you 2 lvl 9 spells)

gonna try answer a few questions on spell choices before they get asked.
why mords instead of meteor storm?
for countering in abos... its possible to just keep to countering wierds, but then you wont be able to counter disintergrates.
mindblank was chosen for lvl 8, because there really isnt any decent spells imo
finger of death was chosen for lvl 7 for extra damage type, spell mantle was chosen for the same reason as mindblank.
lvl 6 is the tightest. STF and FTS imo are must haves for a pariah... stoning is what you do! forecful hand cound be dropped, but i like to have it for them "just incase" moments, or if im being swamped and dont have time to hope they fail a save.
remove curse chosen at lvl 4... cause no-one like to be mazed for a long time.

[Naeblis]

Just to clarify KC, was there rhyme or reason to what class you chose at what level (aside from barb at first and 20/20 overall) to optimize when feats or spells were received?

Is it true that at level 60 pariahs (and bfms for that matter) have a one time ability (separate from reincarnation) to redo spell choices?

[kingcamaro]

ahh, yeah... i guess ya wanna take your spell focus feats on sorc lvl... greater spell focuses can be taken on barb lvls
(just edited the layout of classes to take)

you ideally want sorc on he final lvl for skill dump though

Pariahs have a 1 time use of the spell ped if your CC is barb at lvl 60

[garney]

What is the charisma of use to a pariah? (cept for brachina checks in hell)

[StrykerOfChaos]

Jan 14, 2009 15:24:58 GMT garney said:

What is the charisma of use to a pariah? (cept for brachina checks in hell)

You still need base 19 charisma to cast level 9 spells.

[garney]

ah ty for the quick reply chaos, looks like howler is a no go then lol

[Chaos]

Would you go with the build you have posted or the build you did as your first? Others may answer this if ya want

[MightyKhan]

Jan 14, 2009 15:40:27 GMT garney said:

ah ty for the quick reply chaos, looks like howler is a no go then lol

not for caster no,
but maybe its possible to make a decent pariah tank with howler: go for all possible damage shields, ignore level 7, 8 and 9 spells

hmm, im gonna think this out a bit more

[hippyimmortal]

are you really tempted to make a pariah tank ? it would mean balancing stats to get the best possible strength out of a greatly reduced regen rate. if my pariah was to be completely invincible maybe ? but i cant figure a way to be invincible when high loads of exotic dmg purr down on me from various sources. the pariah does depend highly on constitution imh.
mk