Open Incinerator (45 RDD, 12 Sorc, 3 Pal)

[csivils]

This is my attempt to make an open race version of the incinerator ( highergroundpoa.proboards3.com/index.cgi?board=builds&action=display&thread=9780 ). The incinerator build looked like it would be a blast to play, and the discussion in the thread was very helpful. Being fairly new to the server, I didn't have any of the subraces mentioned, so I crunched numbers, compromised and found a way to have a dev-crit BFM using an open sub race.

I have only leveled this build to level 40, so I cannot say how it will do in hell levels... but it has been a blast so far to play. It does require a uros blood for the cleave feat.

I made this build for one of my children to play, but I like it enough I may have to make a 2nd one for myself!

Pro's
* It's a tank-mage!
* It's fun to play
* Seems to solo really well
* This wasn't even supposed to be possible

Con's
* Skill starved
* No Maximize spell till legendary levels
* AC may be too low for hell
* AB may be too low for hell

"Yuan-Ti"
- FCs: Wizard, Rogue / BC: Sorcerer
- CHA +2, INT +1, DEX +1, WIS-3, STR -1, +5 Spellcraft, sr5 +1/lvl, speaks Draconic, speaks Yuan-ti

Creation -> Subrace
Str 17->16
Dex 13->14
Con 10->10
Int 9->10
Wis 8-> 5
Cha 13->15


I altered the original level order to get the RDD levels asap. Every skill point is important and the extra Int at RDD level 9 can't come fast enough.

Level overview
1 So/ 1 Pal/ 3 So/ 10 Rdd/5 So/ 1 So (Becomes BFM)/ 2 so/ 14 rdd/ 2 pal / 1 rdd
All strength

Stat increases (all str)
RDD level 10 adds 2 CHA to enable 6th and 7th level spells
RDD level 30 adds 2 more CHA to enable 8th and 9th level spells

Pre-Epic Feats
* Uros Blood -> Cleave
0 Spell Focus Evocation, Greater Spell Focus Evocation
3 Still Spell
6 Empower Spell
9 Weapon Focus (weapon of choice)
12 Improve Crit (weapon of choice)
15 Power Attack
18 Resist Energy

Epic Feats
Epic Toughness 1-10

Legendary Feats
Maximize spell
Great Cleave
Overwhelming critical (weapon of choice)
Devastating critical (weapon of choice)
Epic weapon focus (weapon of choice)
Epic prowess
Legendary weapon focus (weapon of choice)

Skills
This build is skill starved. So far, I have been dumping my points into discipline, parry and concentration. I really don't know what the best choices would be.

Any advice and/or comments are appreciated.

[StrykerOfChaos]

I'd try this out with Spider Gnome actually.
It gets +1 Dex, +1 Cha, -1 Int, -1 Wis. Gnomes also get 2 free skills (with retroactive points) once you hit 41.

Starting Stats (with sub)
14 (14) Strength
13 (14) Dex
12 (12) Con
8 (7) Wisdom
13 (12) Int
15 (16) Charisma

If you only want 15 Charisma after subrace, drop charisma to 14 at creation, and put those two points into Con. Your choice, it's HP over Saves/1 more spell I think.

You lose one feat by going with Gnome over Human, so I'd drop Still Spell and take GSF Evocation at 3. My and Mish's bfm tank (you can see Mish's build on page 3 of the Incinerator) both only have empower and maximize.

For Skills:
You will have 14 Int at level 14. That's 2 + Int Mod + 2 Skils (for gnome). 6 skills you can almost max out.

Discipline, 63 points
Concentration, 63 Points
Tumble, 30 points (cross class, so 60 point cost)
Parry, 63 Points
Listen, 63 Points
Craft Armor/Craft Weapon - All Remaining points. I split the points in half, and get 1 AC/1AB with gear on, 2 with song.

[csivils]

I like that suggestion a lot, thank you! Having the 16 cha would also allow maximized brands before legendary levels, so I might find a way to move maximize to the pre-epic levels. Still waiting to see a uros blood on the auction block, but when I get one I will level up a spider gnome version.

Since gnomes are small, I may also pull great cleave up to pre-epic levels and push anything specific to a weapon out until legendary levels when I'll get the RDD size increase. It doesn't make sense to spend the feat till I can use it, and chances are I will want to use a different weapon when I'm large than what I can use while I'm gnome sized. My AB hasn't been an issue up till level 40, so I think this shouldn't cause issues.

[csivils]

I have never leveled a toon to 60 before.

Do I get 15 ability skill ups from levels?

If so, then would it make sense to use 15 as the starting str score?

If my math is correct, that would give me a final STR of 60.

15 STR starting score
18 STR from 45 levels of BFM
15 STR from levels
12 STR from equipment

[MightyKhan]

in total, you get 20 stat increases: 10 from 1-40 and 10 from 40-60

[csivils]

I'm still min/maxing this build, in preparation to post it. I won't enter this in the contest because so much of this came from Strykerofchaos and Mish, but the build has been fun and I would like to share it with others. I have never been to the Hell levels, so I am basing my projections off of my understanding. Do these numbers look right?

"Yuan-Ti"
- FCs: Wizard, Rogue / BC: Sorcerer
- CHA +2, INT +1, DEX +1, WIS-3, STR -1, +5 Spellcraft, sr5 +1/lvl, speaks Draconic, speaks Yuan-ti

Initial Stats
Stat Base(Race)
STR 15(16)
DEX 13(14)
CON 10(10)
INT 15(16)
WIS 9(6)
CHA 14(16)

Stats at 60 with equipment
str = 14 base + 18 rdd bonus + 20 levels + 12 gear = 64 (27 mod)
dex = 14 base + 12 gear = 26 (8 mod)
con = 10 base + 8 rdd bonus + 12 gear = 30 (10 mod)
wis = 6 base + 12 gear = 18 (4 mod)
int = 16 base + 6 Rdd bonus + 12 gear = 34 (12 mod)
cha = 16 base + 4 Rdd bonus + 12 gear = 32 (11 mod)

Total Skill points = 452
Discipline 63
Concentration 63
Tumble 60
Parry 63
Listen 63
Craft Armor 63
Craft Weapon 63
Lore 8
With 6 points left over

Pre-Epic Stats
Fort = 2 (1 Pal) + 3 (9 Sorc) + 7 (10 Rdd) = 12
Ref = 0 (1 Pal) + 3 (9 Sorc) + 3 (10 Rdd) = 6
Will = 0 (1 Pal) + 6 (9 Sorc) + 7 (10 Rdd) = 13
AB = 1 (1 Pal) + 4 (9 Sorc) + 7 (10 RDD) = 12

Stats at 60 with UR equipment
Fort = 12 Base + 10 Epic + 5 Legend + 10 Con Mod + 20 Items + 11 Divine Grace = 68
Ref = 6 Base + 10 Epic + 5 Legend + 8 Dex Mod + 20 Items + 11 Divine Grace = 60
Will = 13 Base + 10 Epic + 5 Legend + 4 Wis Mod + 20 Items + 11 Divine Grace = 63

HP = 582 Class + 600 Con + 440 Tensers = 1622

AB = 12 Base + 7 Weapon Feats + 10 Epic + 15 Tenser Lbab + 2 Craft Weapon - 1 Size Large +20 Items/Buffs = 92
AC = 10 Base + 22 Armor (+17 Medium armor) + 15 (light shield) + 18 Natural (Tensers) + 16 Deflection + 6 Tumble + 8 Dex Mod + 20 Dodge/Haste + 2 Craft Armor + 15 Draconic Armor -1 Size Large = 131

[MightyKhan]

your ac is off: tumble and draconic armor dont stack the way you listed. i believe with 30 tumble and 25 RDD levels, you get 14 total, so thats -7 ac compared to what you calculated