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Post by jonuhey on Dec 12, 2008 10:49:17 GMT
Looking at your skills, you're going to get disarmed in hell without dumping some points into Concentration. I'd probably ditch Craft Armor. Who does that in hells?? I've been playing my kobold ranger for months and never got disarmed. Is that some para, cause he doesnt has concentration. Concentration is on the list of things to add when I reincarnate him... I just thought concentration was more useful for the new areas.
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Post by bort on Dec 12, 2008 11:04:08 GMT
Not really sure i should post that on the forums to be honest Jonuhey, i wasn't sure if what i already posted was too much.
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Post by Egg on Dec 12, 2008 11:14:42 GMT
The main benefit of this quasi is freeing up epics for clerics to take something else. But do the clerics know about this? huh? huh?
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Post by Retribution on Dec 12, 2008 11:29:38 GMT
The freeing up epics for clerics argument doesn't really work, as 95% of the time they won't be doing the run with another toon with gird/iof etc, so they will still build for the 95% of the time when those epics aren't available.... Although IoF in particular is nice to have two of as most tanks are using multiple weapons nowadays, which all need the +16 enchantment when possible
Ret.
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Post by jonuhey on Dec 12, 2008 11:38:04 GMT
Not really sure i should post that on the forums to be honest Jonuhey, i wasn't sure if what i already posted was too much. I only thought about this issue after I posted it Gotta ask someone in game later...
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Post by bort on Dec 12, 2008 11:47:55 GMT
Not all clerics have IoF, although i agree that most have Girding. I've done a few hell runs with no Cleric though, or with a Turner (they don't usually have room for Girding/IoF) so it doesn't hurt to have them on a Warchanter.
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Post by bort on Dec 12, 2008 14:01:40 GMT
Further thoughts: Ditch Craft Weapon and get Listen instead. With the C/C buff (assuming you read the Divination book) you should get a decent amount of concealment reduction - which i've heard said is more useful than a couple of points of AB. Duration on Displacement with DD CC is pathetic. Rona Breach boots recommended
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Post by bort on Dec 12, 2008 14:29:15 GMT
Double Doh! You can't take Lasting Inspiration with fewer than 20 levels of Bard, how did i miss that?
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Post by louisvilleslugger on Dec 12, 2008 15:07:48 GMT
Double Doh! You can't take Lasting Inspiration with fewer than 20 levels of Bard, how did i miss that? Very true, I made a note of it on the build (towards the top). I haven't tested, but was hoping it would be available at legendary altar. Have you tried it there and can confirm that it is not an option?
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Post by bort on Dec 12, 2008 15:37:30 GMT
It's not there. ESF: Listen (assuming you swap Craft Weapon for Listen) seems like a good choice. With Bard song that lasts only 1 minute and 30 seconds (at level 60) ESF: Perform (could be taken on a bard level at 39) seems a waste. ESF: Craft Weapon could be useful if you prefer the extra AB over conceal reduction. Or you could ditch Lingering Song, Extra Music and get Great Cleave, Overwhelming Critical and Devastating Critical again. I don't think i can be bothered to reincarnate for a third time to do that though.
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Post by louisvilleslugger on Dec 12, 2008 18:27:59 GMT
Further thoughts: Ditch Craft Weapon and get Listen instead. With the C/C buff (assuming you read the Divination book) you should get a decent amount of concealment reduction - which i've heard said is more useful than a couple of points of AB. Duration on Displacement with DD CC is pathetic. Rona Breach boots recommended C/C is 1/round per level and is not a warchanter spell, so 18 rounds per cast. Not sure if that is even worth the effort. Maybe read epic divination book and take extended spell instead of the lasting inspiration (grr, ticked off about it not being available), and cast it extended. 36 rounds (3.5 minutes?) . Dunno!
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Post by louisvilleslugger on Dec 12, 2008 18:30:40 GMT
I think I might ditch extra music and lasting inspiration for x2 more G.STR. +1 more AB/1% damage immunity. Not sure yet.
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Post by bort on Dec 12, 2008 18:36:02 GMT
At the moment that looks like a wise choice. Unless some day we're lucky enough to see Lasting Inspiration made available for Dwarven Warchanters with fewer than 20 levels of Bard or via items... but there's always reincarnation if that day comes. Shame about C/C - I took Mass C/C on my Warchanter then realised that a) as you said, it's not a WC spell, so the duration stinks and b) you can't cast level 6 spells as Still spells, so i can't cast it in armor. oops!
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