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Post by starlandra on Apr 23, 2007 19:02:25 GMT
I have a question? What would be the downside of using kamas as main weapon with this build? nothing, and at first glace it would be better. 6 attacks in the main hand for a total of 9 attacks a round (10 using your monk ability). Prob in doing it with this build is that your crit range would only be 18-20x2 with keen. kamas are really only useful if you can splash 7 levels of wm for any real damage output. at least in my opinion
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Post by mishimayukio on Apr 26, 2007 7:14:31 GMT
With the new epic spells and the benefits to bard abilities I'm thinking it might be worthwhile to make a caster/melee hybrid. I would basically drop the 4 great con feats, 2 epic DR, and 6 dex on my current bard to get my base charisma to 30, and drop the two weapon fighting feats for a second epic spell focus for another epic. AB would still be 71, AC 122, but I would have the improved bard song and 2 epic spells of my choice.
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Post by nerohdam on May 1, 2007 15:28:36 GMT
With the new epic spells and the benefits to bard abilities I'm thinking it might be worthwhile to make a caster/melee hybrid. I would basically drop the 4 great con feats, 2 epic DR, and 6 dex on my current bard to get my base charisma to 30, and drop the two weapon fighting feats for a second epic spell focus for another epic. AB would still be 71, AC 122, but I would have the improved bard song and 2 epic spells of my choice. I wonder if the playability will be as fun. Dropping your dex and con will seem to reduce the "tankiness" of the build which was it's strong point versus standing in the back singing and then runnining around hoping not to get killed. Do the epic bard spells provide enough "firepower" to lose the offensive nature of this build? What epic bard spells seem to be the most effective so far? I know there are some builds that want all the spells but seems to me that that is overkill as not all spells are really worth it compared to the requirements to get them. BTW I finally got that pixie !!!!
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Post by mishimayukio on May 21, 2007 14:04:32 GMT
Added a new picture. Yay!
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Post by nerohdam on Jun 11, 2007 16:47:42 GMT
Has anyone modified Yue's build here to incorporate the new epic spells? Curious if dropping the two wep fighting significantly affected the semi tank aspect of this build. i am leveling a regular "cheese bard" and I am having fun jumping into the fray of things with my dual short swords but wondering if a single rapier would be just as effective with the improved bard song and curse and epics.
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Post by mishimayukio on Jun 11, 2007 18:10:26 GMT
Even with shard you would have to drop 12 feats to get the 30 CHA required for epic spells. If I remade probably the only thing I would change is to try to fit more str in at start to resist PF KD some of the time.
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Post by nerohdam on Jun 13, 2007 18:01:35 GMT
Even with shard you would have to drop 12 feats to get the 30 CHA required for epic spells. If I remade probably the only thing I would change is to try to fit more str in at start to resist PF KD some of the time. So what I am hearing you say is that to get the required 30 cha that you would essentially break your build and be pretty much a "caster" bard.
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Post by edonil on Jun 16, 2007 18:47:11 GMT
With the new epic spells and the benefits to bard abilities I'm thinking it might be worthwhile to make a caster/melee hybrid. I would basically drop the 4 great con feats, 2 epic DR, and 6 dex on my current bard to get my base charisma to 30, and drop the two weapon fighting feats for a second epic spell focus for another epic. AB would still be 71, AC 122, but I would have the improved bard song and 2 epic spells of my choice. i made a caster build (pixie ) with 4 BG lvl and 1 monk and useing divine might that +20 divine( as fare as i know this damage is outside immutys) damage on every hit and with 3-4 hits a round that is ok damage agains bosses or other with high immutys ok damager every round compared to other bosskillers. could allso use xbow if i want to stay safe in the background cheers Anders
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Post by edonil on Jun 16, 2007 18:58:28 GMT
Not true Phal. Dis shields are only for sorcs and wiz, not bards. -S i tryed the wiz sorc shield out looked like EV worked fine but you lost ac from wisdome and it didnt have any bard spell slots so you are better off with a weapon or flag but if you are with out monk lvls it could work my 2 cents cheers anders
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Post by mishimayukio on Jun 16, 2007 19:57:13 GMT
You probably equipped the shield first and then cast EV. Did you check the amount of concealment you were getting from EV? As when you cast it like that it casts the unmodified version (25% concealment).
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Post by edonil on Jun 17, 2007 0:17:14 GMT
hi yue tryed again to make sure and have a screenshot of it didnt have time to upload it but the log clearly says conseal 70 % when i am useing the shield 56 lvl caster bard if can find me in game we can test it log okokokokok2 bard rufuse t fireflye
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cheers anders
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Post by bloodwynn on Jun 21, 2007 17:10:09 GMT
Greetings, As a bit of background, I have been around HG for awhile now, and NWN quite awhile, but have always played melee types, or at least mostly melee types, so am magic dense when it comes to characters... Having said that, I am clueless regarding epics, spell focus, etc etc. and have no idea what that actually does. I am in the process of making this build (with Atomie, lvl 35; yes the xp pen bites, but man is he fast ) and it is extremely fun to do something other than point and hack. Running into the fray, yelling out a few choice curse words, then staying for a bit of smack and tickle makes this very exciting and a great change from my standard toons. Anywhere you can point me or info you might suggest on getting myself up to speed on what thing like epic spell focus does, what the spell books do, what a cheese bard should focus on and why? Thanks for any help and sorry for the Magic101 questions. - BloodWynn
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Post by mishimayukio on Jun 21, 2007 17:53:05 GMT
To get any bard epics you would need at least 30 base cha, and to get that on this build you lose a lot of the tanking ability which is a primary reason I built this.
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Post by bloodwynn on Jun 22, 2007 21:38:47 GMT
Thanks for the response Yue, but in the build you say to use an Epic Spell Book: Transmutation? Since my Cha is not 30, does this mean I don't need to use it, or does it help me do something (and what is that) even with the base 16 Cha?
Thanks!
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Post by mishimayukio on Jun 22, 2007 22:29:38 GMT
I said enchantment and the reason is so your GMW is +13 rather than +10.
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