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Post by gruntgruntson on May 18, 2007 19:37:33 GMT
I'll post my build, see what you think.
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Post by ladyq on Jul 17, 2007 22:37:16 GMT
I just got One Eyed myself and am pretty excited to try a dev crit without those ugly RDD wings!, like you just have. I have a few questions though as I've just hit a roadblock after playing around with the CBC.. Would it be viable to go Barbarian as a base class and splash monk in this case to still end up with evasion and no xp penalty? Say, something like 1barb-10assassin-8barb-1monk, rest assassin (30)? Even though it is rather feat starved pre epic (spring attack is still very appealing), it allows 10% movement increase, and some uncanny dodge abilities (+reflex vs traps, small dex ac retained while FF). Of course...no heavy armor is unfortunate Also, is evasion this important? I might be able to see my reflex above 70, but would I live to see another day in hells without evasion? Or would I just be eating a lot of floor . I had an idea of trying a Barb/30Assassin/Pally splash for mind immunity and a bit (very small bit) of saves gathered from a small positive cha modifier, but I'm just not sure it'll be worth it for that small boost Didn't realize this threadt was a few months old...Oops
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Post by bunnyman on Jul 18, 2007 4:07:55 GMT
I'd probably drop spring attack and get weapon specialization. Always seems like a waste to be a fighter without it.
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Post by chainlink on Jul 18, 2007 12:23:32 GMT
I just got One Eyed myself and am pretty excited to try a dev crit without those ugly RDD wings!, like you just have. I have a few questions though as I've just hit a roadblock after playing around with the CBC.. Would it be viable to go Barbarian as a base class and splash monk in this case to still end up with evasion and no xp penalty? Say, something like 1barb-10assassin-8barb-1monk, rest assassin (30)? Even though it is rather feat starved pre epic (spring attack is still very appealing), it allows 10% movement increase, and some uncanny dodge abilities (+reflex vs traps, small dex ac retained while FF). Of course...no heavy armor is unfortunate Also, is evasion this important? I might be able to see my reflex above 70, but would I live to see another day in hells without evasion? Or would I just be eating a lot of floor . I had an idea of trying a Barb/30Assassin/Pally splash for mind immunity and a bit (very small bit) of saves gathered from a small positive cha modifier, but I'm just not sure it'll be worth it for that small boost Didn't realize this threadt was a few months old...Oops Evasion is less critical for the Hells than for other LL areas so you could probably live without it, although personally I like it. My question would be exactly what final saves do you get going the barbarian-monk route or the barbarian-paladin route? If they're in the low to mid-50's you're likely to have problems (at least in the deeper areas) if they're nearer 60 then you'll probably be ok. I do like heavy armor though especially as it gives you more damage immunity on a build that gets no critical immunity (currently anyway).
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Post by ladyq on Jul 18, 2007 17:52:55 GMT
THanks for the response, as far as saves go (trying out the 9barb/30assassin/1monk route) i computed it @ 40 to 60 as:
f 27 + 5 (Leg lvls) + 20 (items) + 6 (con modifier) + 3 (leg luck) = 61 w 21 + 5 (Leg lvls) + 20 (items) + 6 (wis modifier) + 3 (leg luck) + 7 (leg will) = 62 r 24 + 5 (leg lvls) + 20 (items) + 6 (dex modifier) + 3 (leg luck) + 7 (leg reflex) = 65
not as high as yours since I missed out on fort feat increases, but higher CON made up for it a bit. I still have a free feat so it could be spent on a greater fort if needed. I managed heavy armor, but that feat spent on it hurts lol. Mine is very feat tight to fully maximize G Str X. I may post mine if wanted, though theres really not much variation in non RDD assassin builds
For the pally version I haven't tried it out.. it would require lowering con just for the sake of making the cha modifier worthwhile..so..possibily around +5 (with +cha boosting gear from around 8 or so starting cha)..without the monk or SD save adjustment in pre epic levels it might not even be worth it. But the heavy armor and fear immune is nice
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Post by ladyq on Jul 18, 2007 18:00:15 GMT
I'd probably drop spring attack and get weapon specialization. Always seems like a waste to be a fighter without it. I think spring attack could actually benefit this type of build since it opens up AOO in mob situations. In illithid/db runs that would work nicely..depending upon your ability to adjust to feedback dmg etc. The main objective of this build is to crit and kill, let the dexxers/dmg soakers stand and keep wackin' em
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Post by bunnyman on Jul 18, 2007 18:36:17 GMT
Your tumble will make spring attack obsolete in no time. Unless you somehow don't plan to max tumble for the 12 ac at 60?
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Post by gruntgruntson on Aug 23, 2007 11:26:18 GMT
Have you looked at updating this build for the up-and-coming changes? It seems to me that some skills are going to be needed (hide, listen, parry), and I can't see where to get the points from without crippling another stat.
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Post by chainlink on Aug 23, 2007 12:52:46 GMT
As I said in the proposed class edits there are some builds that will be broken by the upcoming changes and it looks like half-Orc assassins will suffer due to low Int and Str based assassins getting a kicking. I don't agree that you need listen though as Blind Fight is already in the build and I currently don't have parry which only leaves hide to be added to get the best conceal possible. Of course if you drop initial Str to 16 you'll lose 1 dc off your max dex crit value and get back 6 points to spend on Int, however even if you invest the maximum possible 63 points in both hide and parry (only possible if you take a LSA parry feat) they're going to be gimped by armor, non-Dex primary stat and the fact that there's not much gear I've seen that would enable you to get +50 to these as well as discipline.
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Post by FunkySwerve on Aug 24, 2007 0:55:43 GMT
You can expect to see more parry, hide, concentration, and other skill gear in forthcoming areas. Pharlans already has a nice chunk. Funky
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Post by chainlink on Oct 3, 2007 12:12:22 GMT
Please move this back to the live builds forum as I guess completing double-demi implies it's not a dead duck (Half-Orc), yes you were correct Funky the changes didn't kill it and the reincarnation managed to grab me a few more ab from LL WF. Now to find me a Str artifact to get the final +2 Str and max my dc
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Post by bort on Jan 23, 2008 12:18:46 GMT
Sith was asking my advice about making a couple of tweaks to this build, and I had some thoughts myself so figured I might as well post em here:
With recent changes to half-orc, could you drop Spring Attack (not needed with high tumble) and Toughness (you get it free now) and take Great Cleave and Overwhelming critical instead? You could even take 2 more fighter levels (2 less shadow dancer levels) and get Devastating Critical too, i think..
Cheers, -Bort
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Post by chainlink on Jan 23, 2008 12:41:19 GMT
As the Two SD levels are purely to get Evasion swapping them out for more fighter is fine, more damage is always welcome so I'd agree with your changes.
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Post by phalthallus on Jan 23, 2008 16:12:56 GMT
I was talking about this with Sithdad today as well, and the only problem is that Overwhelming Crit is an epic feat. So you'd have to find an epic feat to drop (LL Reflexes keeps Reflex saves at 62, and is one option), or lose 1 level of Assassin, which is not necessarily a great idea; though it would give you that free feat in epic levels (allowing you to take Overwhelming there, and increase your crit range by 1), as well as let you do a discipline dump at 40 if you wished, at the cost of 1 DC to your Mortal Strike ability.
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Post by chainlink on May 3, 2008 8:32:13 GMT
5x Demi now
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