Post by shardelay on Apr 18, 2009 9:55:38 GMT
I haven't posted a build yet because, frankly, all of my builds have been derivitives of other builds. But, this guy, I believe, is relatively unique (or at least I haven't seen any like him). He's a melee druid with rogue abilities. All the fighter levels are basically for extra feats.
He won't be on top for damage or kills, but he can fill more roles than just about any build. He's a real jack of all trades - dex tank, rogue skills and druid epics all at once.
**********THIS IS NOW THE 1x DEMI VERSION*************
Warning: Be VERY careful with the order in which you take these levels and exactly when you take the skill points. Done in a slightly wrong order and you can break the build and require a do-over.
Note: This build is using an OC/DC katana bracer, although stygian razor would do the same thing. You can do it w/out this but the damage will go down on crittable mobs. This build is ALSO using a SF Search item. W/out this SF Search item, you would have to drop concentration by 9 points in order to raise search by 3 points.
Here goes.
Final build in gear (1x demi, dex arti):
AB 99 with full buffs. (maybe squeeze 100 out of CW gear)
AC 135 with asmo cloak (139 with girding)
hp: 1000ish (1400ish with blood frenzy)
Fort: 58
Reflex: 68
Will: 57
Str: 26
Dex: 64
Con: 28
Int: 34
Wisdom: 35
Cha: 26
with Katana 1-10 + 12 (12-20/x2 crits) (11-20/x3 with oc/dc item).
Pro's:
- He can cast shunt and immute.
- He can heal a fester or use cure disease like a regular druid.
- A few of his buffs are viable - AOV still helps a bit, blood frenzy gives him about 400 extra hp (getting him near 1400), Foundation of stone in a pinch (although as a dex tank that's a bit rough), his monstrous regen isn't half bad, and his mass camo still works.
- He's a solid dex tank (135ac pre-girding), and stands up just fine to malebranches.
- He has umd, so he can use any scroll/wand/etc...
- He's also got full rogue abilities and can search, disable trap, and open lock at max skill (with keen senses)
- Unexpected and mildly useless bonus - Warrior's wetstone doing 6+1d4 extra slashing damage
- Minor sneak attacks
- Storm of Vengeance buffs AB and gives extra attacks like Divine Power - Don't forget and let this run out
Con's:
- He's not exactly a damage machine. He is certainly no double weapon CoT. He's a dexer.
- Pit fiends are his nemesis - in a pinch he can use foundation of stone, but otherwise they smack him down regularly. He's got none of the other druid abilities (his NB is dc32, etc...)
- No inherant form of crit immunity. - this is the biggest weakness. At the cost of 4 dex, 2 con and much of your concentration you could also max parry, but this seemed exceptionally expensive. At double demi this might be the right move.
Skill calculation looks wierd, but here's how I get to 127's.
Search:
50 - bard
12 - int mod with +14 and single demi
3 - Skill Focus Search Aug
10- epic skill focus search
2 - elf bonus
50 - skill
127 search
Open Lock:
50 - bard
27 - dex mod with +14 and single demi
3 - Skill Focus open lock
47 - skill
127 search
Disable Trap
50 - bard
12 - int mod with +14 and single demi
3 - Skill Focus disable
10- epic skill focus disable trap
2 - set trap synergy
50 - skill
127 search
Here goes:
Subrace: Undying.
I was really only able to manage this with undying, and it seems perfect for this build. The build is super feat and skill tight, so you need the extra skill points and saves feats from undying to be viable. Also, this is a build that needs alot if different initial stats (int for search and skills, wisdom for epics, dex as primary, con to tank) so the even stat spread of undying was perfect).
Creation screen stats:
Str: 8
Dex: 18
Con: 8
Wis: 15
Int: 16
Cha: 8
Subrace mod'd starting stats:
Str: 10
Dex: 20
Con: 12
Wis: 17
Int: 18
Cha: 10
60 with +14 items, dex arti and 1x demi:
Str: 26
Dex: 64
Con: 28
Int: 34
Wisdom: 35
Cha: 26
1 Fighter:
Blooded
Weapon Finesse
Disc +4
2 Fighter:
Weapon Proficiency (Exotic)
Disc +1
3 Fighter:
Weapon Focus: Katana
Disc +1
4 Fighter:
Weapon Specialization: Katana
Dex +1
Disc +1
5 Fighter:
Disc +1
6 Fighter:
Disc +1
Power Critical Katana
Greater Weapon Focus Katana
7 Fighter:
Disc +1
8 Fighter:
Improved Critical Katana
Disc +1
Dex +1
9 Druid:
Spell Focus: Evocation
10 Druid:
11 Druid:
12 Druid:
Greater Spell Focus: Evocation
Dex +1
13 Druid:
14 Druid:
Open Lock +1
15 Druid:
Skill Focus Open Lock
16 Druid:
Dex +1
17 Druid:
Disable Trap +1
18 Druid:
Skill Focus Disable Trap
19 Druid:
20 Druid:
Dex +1
21 Fighter:
Epic Prowess
Disc +17 (24 total)
22 Druid:
23 Rogue:
Open Lock +25 (26 total)
Disable Trap +25 (26 total)
Search +26
Tumble +26
Use Magic Dvice +26
Set trap +5
24 Fighter:
Epic Weapon Focus: Katana
Epic Weapon Specialization: Katana
Dex +1
Disc +1
25 Fighter:
Disc +1
26 Fighter
Disc +1
Superior Critical: Katana
27 Druid:
Epic Skill Focus: Disable Trap
28 Druid:
Dex +1
29 Druid:
30 Druid:
Epic Skill Focus: Search
31 Druid:
32 Druid:
Dex +1
33 Druid:
Great Wisdom I
34 Druid:
35 Druid:
36 Druid:
Great Wisdom II
Dex +1
37 Druid:
Epic Spell Focus: Evocation
38 Druid:
39 Fighter:
Great Dexterity I
Disc +13 (42 total)
40 Rogue:
Dex +1
Tumble +17 (43 total)
Search +17 (43 total)
Disable Trap +17 (43 total)
Open Lock +17 (43 total)
Use Magic Device +5 (31 total)
Legendary Feats:
LSA: Tumble
Legendary Weapon Focus: X
Great Dexterity II
Great Dexterity III
Great dexterity IV
Great Dexterity V
Great Dexterity VI
Legendary Skills:
Open lock to 47
Disable Trap to 50
Search to 50
Tumble to 60
Discipline to 63
Listen to 63
Dump rest in Conc (47)
Tome:
Transmutation
arti: Dex (though int is a viable option to free up 6 more skill points (a few more if you use it at lvl 55) and for teh effect. Only costs 1ab, the ac wong chagne if you wear light armor whcih i opted for for the extra immunities.
Pandect:
Single demi Options:
1) You can trade in superiro crit and both SF feats for a 3rd epic at the cost of 18 points in concentration (3+3)*3 skill points.
2) You could also trade 2x g-dex and a power crit for an epic.
This build can go to up to 4 epics at the cost of 1ab, 18 skill points and both crit confirm feats. I opted for more damage and less epics. I find shroud not necessary with mass camo, the pet seems underwhelming, 20 natural ac is weak. Dust to Dust might be a nice addition, and either primal catalyst for a big WHAM and a slow or Nature's frailty to bosses might be a decent option.
3) You can DROP another epic and cheese this build after demi. You can drop wis to 13 at creation and use the demi stats to get you to 19 wis. This lets you cast lvl 9 spells adn lets you have an epic from a tome at 60 (I havent tried this but i believe it would work). This, however, is only viable as a cheese-tastic reinc at single demi. At double, this would get even worse and allow for 11 wis at creation. These points could be sued on dex/con/int etc... However, I don't like the stormlord with only one epic. I want at least shunt and immute.
Notes:
Remeber to keep SoV up at all times. The extra attacks are key. You need a full set of search/disable/open lock gear and any SF augs you have help as well. You also will need to be able to wear this gear with +14 int/dex.
This build changes dramatically with demi iterations because of skills. I have jimmied a number of skills around on the 1x version versus the 0x to exactly where they need to be and NOT to max because the 3 per skill able learner cost is so very expensive. I traded in a few feats for SF and ESF skills. By doing this I was able to reduce my skill expenditure dramatically and this allowed me to be able to squeeze in listen. Also updated for gwf and new crit feats. Gaining the demi bonus, gwf, extra stats, and a general re-work was good for nearly 10ab and full listen so this is a drastic improvement in damage versus the pre-demi version.
Note: a 0 demi version of this is much the same except you cannot reasonably fit in listen. Drop listen, remove the 2x ESF and replace with g-dex. Increase skills by 11 on disable and search and 1 on open lock to make up for demi and ESF changes with the listen skill points. Add 1 more skill point in open lock fi you do not have dex arti. You can also replace the first rogue level with a fighter level for an additional free feat - armor skin perhaps.
At Double demi, if desired, you can drop dex by 4 and increase int by 2 to get parry. This wont affect your AC in light armor at all, but has the obvious 2ab drop (1ab versus 1x demi). At double demi you also gain 18 more skill points from demi stats which gets you close to being able to drop ESF feats for g-dex or another epic.
The skill/feat/stat balance on this build leaves ALOT of options open and I have never seen a build that benefits so much from demi iterations.
He won't be on top for damage or kills, but he can fill more roles than just about any build. He's a real jack of all trades - dex tank, rogue skills and druid epics all at once.
**********THIS IS NOW THE 1x DEMI VERSION*************
Warning: Be VERY careful with the order in which you take these levels and exactly when you take the skill points. Done in a slightly wrong order and you can break the build and require a do-over.
Note: This build is using an OC/DC katana bracer, although stygian razor would do the same thing. You can do it w/out this but the damage will go down on crittable mobs. This build is ALSO using a SF Search item. W/out this SF Search item, you would have to drop concentration by 9 points in order to raise search by 3 points.
Here goes.
Final build in gear (1x demi, dex arti):
AB 99 with full buffs. (maybe squeeze 100 out of CW gear)
AC 135 with asmo cloak (139 with girding)
hp: 1000ish (1400ish with blood frenzy)
Fort: 58
Reflex: 68
Will: 57
Str: 26
Dex: 64
Con: 28
Int: 34
Wisdom: 35
Cha: 26
with Katana 1-10 + 12 (12-20/x2 crits) (11-20/x3 with oc/dc item).
Pro's:
- He can cast shunt and immute.
- He can heal a fester or use cure disease like a regular druid.
- A few of his buffs are viable - AOV still helps a bit, blood frenzy gives him about 400 extra hp (getting him near 1400), Foundation of stone in a pinch (although as a dex tank that's a bit rough), his monstrous regen isn't half bad, and his mass camo still works.
- He's a solid dex tank (135ac pre-girding), and stands up just fine to malebranches.
- He has umd, so he can use any scroll/wand/etc...
- He's also got full rogue abilities and can search, disable trap, and open lock at max skill (with keen senses)
- Unexpected and mildly useless bonus - Warrior's wetstone doing 6+1d4 extra slashing damage
- Minor sneak attacks
- Storm of Vengeance buffs AB and gives extra attacks like Divine Power - Don't forget and let this run out
Con's:
- He's not exactly a damage machine. He is certainly no double weapon CoT. He's a dexer.
- Pit fiends are his nemesis - in a pinch he can use foundation of stone, but otherwise they smack him down regularly. He's got none of the other druid abilities (his NB is dc32, etc...)
- No inherant form of crit immunity. - this is the biggest weakness. At the cost of 4 dex, 2 con and much of your concentration you could also max parry, but this seemed exceptionally expensive. At double demi this might be the right move.
Skill calculation looks wierd, but here's how I get to 127's.
Search:
50 - bard
12 - int mod with +14 and single demi
3 - Skill Focus Search Aug
10- epic skill focus search
2 - elf bonus
50 - skill
127 search
Open Lock:
50 - bard
27 - dex mod with +14 and single demi
3 - Skill Focus open lock
47 - skill
127 search
Disable Trap
50 - bard
12 - int mod with +14 and single demi
3 - Skill Focus disable
10- epic skill focus disable trap
2 - set trap synergy
50 - skill
127 search
Here goes:
Subrace: Undying.
I was really only able to manage this with undying, and it seems perfect for this build. The build is super feat and skill tight, so you need the extra skill points and saves feats from undying to be viable. Also, this is a build that needs alot if different initial stats (int for search and skills, wisdom for epics, dex as primary, con to tank) so the even stat spread of undying was perfect).
Creation screen stats:
Str: 8
Dex: 18
Con: 8
Wis: 15
Int: 16
Cha: 8
Subrace mod'd starting stats:
Str: 10
Dex: 20
Con: 12
Wis: 17
Int: 18
Cha: 10
60 with +14 items, dex arti and 1x demi:
Str: 26
Dex: 64
Con: 28
Int: 34
Wisdom: 35
Cha: 26
1 Fighter:
Blooded
Weapon Finesse
Disc +4
2 Fighter:
Weapon Proficiency (Exotic)
Disc +1
3 Fighter:
Weapon Focus: Katana
Disc +1
4 Fighter:
Weapon Specialization: Katana
Dex +1
Disc +1
5 Fighter:
Disc +1
6 Fighter:
Disc +1
Power Critical Katana
Greater Weapon Focus Katana
7 Fighter:
Disc +1
8 Fighter:
Improved Critical Katana
Disc +1
Dex +1
9 Druid:
Spell Focus: Evocation
10 Druid:
11 Druid:
12 Druid:
Greater Spell Focus: Evocation
Dex +1
13 Druid:
14 Druid:
Open Lock +1
15 Druid:
Skill Focus Open Lock
16 Druid:
Dex +1
17 Druid:
Disable Trap +1
18 Druid:
Skill Focus Disable Trap
19 Druid:
20 Druid:
Dex +1
21 Fighter:
Epic Prowess
Disc +17 (24 total)
22 Druid:
23 Rogue:
Open Lock +25 (26 total)
Disable Trap +25 (26 total)
Search +26
Tumble +26
Use Magic Dvice +26
Set trap +5
24 Fighter:
Epic Weapon Focus: Katana
Epic Weapon Specialization: Katana
Dex +1
Disc +1
25 Fighter:
Disc +1
26 Fighter
Disc +1
Superior Critical: Katana
27 Druid:
Epic Skill Focus: Disable Trap
28 Druid:
Dex +1
29 Druid:
30 Druid:
Epic Skill Focus: Search
31 Druid:
32 Druid:
Dex +1
33 Druid:
Great Wisdom I
34 Druid:
35 Druid:
36 Druid:
Great Wisdom II
Dex +1
37 Druid:
Epic Spell Focus: Evocation
38 Druid:
39 Fighter:
Great Dexterity I
Disc +13 (42 total)
40 Rogue:
Dex +1
Tumble +17 (43 total)
Search +17 (43 total)
Disable Trap +17 (43 total)
Open Lock +17 (43 total)
Use Magic Device +5 (31 total)
Legendary Feats:
LSA: Tumble
Legendary Weapon Focus: X
Great Dexterity II
Great Dexterity III
Great dexterity IV
Great Dexterity V
Great Dexterity VI
Legendary Skills:
Open lock to 47
Disable Trap to 50
Search to 50
Tumble to 60
Discipline to 63
Listen to 63
Dump rest in Conc (47)
Tome:
Transmutation
arti: Dex (though int is a viable option to free up 6 more skill points (a few more if you use it at lvl 55) and for teh effect. Only costs 1ab, the ac wong chagne if you wear light armor whcih i opted for for the extra immunities.
Pandect:
Single demi Options:
1) You can trade in superiro crit and both SF feats for a 3rd epic at the cost of 18 points in concentration (3+3)*3 skill points.
2) You could also trade 2x g-dex and a power crit for an epic.
This build can go to up to 4 epics at the cost of 1ab, 18 skill points and both crit confirm feats. I opted for more damage and less epics. I find shroud not necessary with mass camo, the pet seems underwhelming, 20 natural ac is weak. Dust to Dust might be a nice addition, and either primal catalyst for a big WHAM and a slow or Nature's frailty to bosses might be a decent option.
3) You can DROP another epic and cheese this build after demi. You can drop wis to 13 at creation and use the demi stats to get you to 19 wis. This lets you cast lvl 9 spells adn lets you have an epic from a tome at 60 (I havent tried this but i believe it would work). This, however, is only viable as a cheese-tastic reinc at single demi. At double, this would get even worse and allow for 11 wis at creation. These points could be sued on dex/con/int etc... However, I don't like the stormlord with only one epic. I want at least shunt and immute.
Notes:
Remeber to keep SoV up at all times. The extra attacks are key. You need a full set of search/disable/open lock gear and any SF augs you have help as well. You also will need to be able to wear this gear with +14 int/dex.
This build changes dramatically with demi iterations because of skills. I have jimmied a number of skills around on the 1x version versus the 0x to exactly where they need to be and NOT to max because the 3 per skill able learner cost is so very expensive. I traded in a few feats for SF and ESF skills. By doing this I was able to reduce my skill expenditure dramatically and this allowed me to be able to squeeze in listen. Also updated for gwf and new crit feats. Gaining the demi bonus, gwf, extra stats, and a general re-work was good for nearly 10ab and full listen so this is a drastic improvement in damage versus the pre-demi version.
Note: a 0 demi version of this is much the same except you cannot reasonably fit in listen. Drop listen, remove the 2x ESF and replace with g-dex. Increase skills by 11 on disable and search and 1 on open lock to make up for demi and ESF changes with the listen skill points. Add 1 more skill point in open lock fi you do not have dex arti. You can also replace the first rogue level with a fighter level for an additional free feat - armor skin perhaps.
At Double demi, if desired, you can drop dex by 4 and increase int by 2 to get parry. This wont affect your AC in light armor at all, but has the obvious 2ab drop (1ab versus 1x demi). At double demi you also gain 18 more skill points from demi stats which gets you close to being able to drop ESF feats for g-dex or another epic.
The skill/feat/stat balance on this build leaves ALOT of options open and I have never seen a build that benefits so much from demi iterations.