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Post by Rain on Jan 18, 2011 10:25:03 GMT
I almost never play mages and been thinkin about making a staffy. And now Im Wondering why the abjuration school focus? Some other build takes transmutation foci instead, whats the difference? First off, staffy is not a mage thus the normal arcane caster spell focus doesnot really apply that well to this quasiclass. If you plan to play a caster mage, it's best to check the Wizard or Sorcerer subforum and post your questions there. That said, Transmutation foci does pretty much nothing to a staffy. Keen? Nope, since you can actually cast all three types of keen spells from your spellbook. Transmutation however is pretty much a must-have school for most arcane CASTERs due to the trans spells(Disintegrate, flesh to stone, greater stoneskin) and epic spell(an epic stone wall). LSF:Trans is very valuable for wizard and druid who splashes 1 or 2 other classes yet still want Greater stoneskin.
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Post by Senaattori on Jan 18, 2011 15:41:09 GMT
Thanks for the info guys! very useful to n00bish guy like me
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Post by Senaattori on Jan 25, 2011 13:47:19 GMT
Hmm, been wondering how you get lvl 9 spells with only 15 lvls of wizard and starting INT 16? that aint possible! eh?
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Post by Yojimbo on Jan 25, 2011 14:55:23 GMT
He doesn't have level 9 spells but does have level 9 slots for Extended and other Metamagic spells. That only requires 19 INT which he is getting via 1x Demi+Arti or 2x Demi bonus.
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Post by Rain on Jan 25, 2011 15:27:07 GMT
You have to wait till x1demi for extended lvl 8 spells, ie. lvl 9 slots. Otherwise you have to start as 16 base int. But it's completely doable without lvl 9 slots for a staffy.
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Post by uncanny on Jan 25, 2011 16:37:11 GMT
You have to wait till x1demi for extended lvl 8 spells, ie. lvl 9 slots. Otherwise you have to start as 16 base int. But it's completely doable without lvl 9 slots for a staffy. Don't you need 18 int for blackstaff (lvl8)? Also.. any thoughts on other BUR races that would work well with this build if not Koly? Koly seems almost impossible to get hold of.
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Post by chainlink on Jan 25, 2011 16:53:14 GMT
Half-Guardinal works.
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Post by Klipkap on Feb 1, 2011 22:39:53 GMT
I have just reincarnated a demi-3 character attempting to (more-or-less) follow Rain's concept. With a Koly build I had 14 starting INT giving 16 INT after sub-race bonuses. The reasoning was that with double-demi attribute bonuses I would have enough INT to be able to cast the extended lvl 8 spells as per the build. I was distraught to find that when I had completed the reincarn (and used the divination tome), and went to the light Thingy to recover the demi-bonuses, I received the message "You must have enough intelligence to cast all of your spells before claiming demigod bonuses" or words to that effect. Does this mean that I need 18 base INT (appropriate for "all the spells" that a lvl 15 wizard can cast) or do I need 16 base int and the 2 Koly Int bonuses DO count as valid?
If so, the build is not valid any longer and STR will have to be sacrificed to make up for the extra required INT
Anyone able to illuminate this situation since I have been unable to find references in the Reincarnation FAQ?
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Post by uncanny on Feb 2, 2011 0:12:44 GMT
I have just reincarnated a demi-3 character attempting to (more-or-less) follow Rain's concept. With a Koly build I had 14 starting INT giving 16 INT after sub-race bonuses. The reasoning was that with double-demi attribute bonuses I would have enough INT to be able to cast the extended lvl 8 spells as per the build. I was distraught to find that when I had completed the reincarn (and used the divination tome), and went to the light Thingy to recover the demi-bonuses, I received the message "You must have enough intelligence to cast all of your spells before claiming demigod bonuses" or words to that effect. Does this mean that I need 18 base INT (appropriate for "all the spells" that a lvl 15 wizard can cast) or do I need 16 base int and the 2 Koly Int bonuses DO count as valid? If so, the build is not valid any longer and STR will have to be sacrificed to make up for the extra required INT Anyone able to illuminate this situation since I have been unable to find references in the Reincarnation FAQ? I believe the message is related to pre-demi stats not being sufficient to cast spells to the level you need for SM. So if you have 16 pre-demi, you cannot cast Blackstaff. The +2 from Koly would count towards this just the same as base, stat increase or Grt Int feats would..
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Post by Rain on Feb 2, 2011 6:30:48 GMT
I have just reincarnated a demi-3 character attempting to (more-or-less) follow Rain's concept. With a Koly build I had 14 starting INT giving 16 INT after sub-race bonuses. The reasoning was that with double-demi attribute bonuses I would have enough INT to be able to cast the extended lvl 8 spells as per the build. I was distraught to find that when I had completed the reincarn (and used the divination tome), and went to the light Thingy to recover the demi-bonuses, I received the message "You must have enough intelligence to cast all of your spells before claiming demigod bonuses" or words to that effect. Does this mean that I need 18 base INT (appropriate for "all the spells" that a lvl 15 wizard can cast) or do I need 16 base int and the 2 Koly Int bonuses DO count as valid? If so, the build is not valid any longer and STR will have to be sacrificed to make up for the extra required INT Anyone able to illuminate this situation since I have been unable to find references in the Reincarnation FAQ? I'm not sure of this tbh since I havenot reinc'ed my staffy yet even before I posted this build. But I did plan to drop 2 Int since I can get x2demi stats to make up for it. Anyway, I'll make a test toon to check it out later and reply to it asap.
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Post by maljin on Feb 2, 2011 16:29:44 GMT
Does this mean that it is anticipating (correctly) that I will want to cast up to level 8 spells (as a level 15 wizard can do) and MUST therefore have 18 intelligence? This is an anti exploit to prevent possible cheesy reincarnations. You wouldn't go from level 1 through two visits to Asmodeus with a gimped character just for a builds sake. Therefore you cannot reincarnate using 2x demi bonuses to make such a build work out. So you are correct in your assumption here. So no, the demi bonus doesn't count for being able to cast lvl 8 spells; the 2 int from koly or int arty would count though. I guess it's the same antiexploit that prevents baneknights from lowering cha and getting spells via the spell pedestal once they get the +4 cha in LLs / or reincarnating from a demi char.
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Post by CataclysmicDeath on Feb 2, 2011 17:24:04 GMT
Question: Would the demi bonuses count if you obtained them normally by beating Asmo or is this just with regards to reinc?
Just wondering because my Divine Slinger currently has Wisdom for level 8 spells, 1xDemi will give it the wisdom for level 9 spells. Will getting Demi by beating Asmo allow it to cast level 9 spells and then allow me to reinc and get level 9 spells the same way? (Since I would have had the Wis before I reinc'd)
Cata
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Post by Senaattori on Feb 2, 2011 20:17:12 GMT
What I've understood, and heard, demi bonuses from beating Asmodeus normaly WILL count. so your slinger should be able to cast lvl 9 spells after beating asmodeus once. And as long as your reincarnated build had same base WIS (in this case 18) before reclaiming demigod status/stats you would be able to get the 9 lvl spells.
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Post by Klipkap on Feb 2, 2011 21:20:19 GMT
Thank you muchlies for all the input. So now that I take 18 INT during character creation plus attribute bonuses, I end up with one extra skill that I can take. Excuse the old brain, but I am inclined to put that into parry because I have not seen that a SM can develop immunity to critical hits. Or did I just miss it?
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Post by gandoron on Feb 2, 2011 23:12:11 GMT
WM CC get crit imm my bad
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