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Post by stonewarrior on Sept 21, 2007 4:31:48 GMT
I am not as familiar with actual races or subraces but feel it would be nice if we had a ne UR / BUR subrace designed specifically for rogue. This is especially true in light of the upcoming rogue edits.
This is what I have come up with...
UR Version -2 Str / +3 Dex / +3 Int, Free Feat: Dodge, Free Feat: Crippling Strike, +8 Tumble, Movement - Fast
BUR Version -2 Str / +6 Dex / +4 Con / +4 Int / -2 Cha, Free Feat: Strong Soul, Free Feat: Improved Evasion, Free Feat: Weapon Proficiency: Exotic, Movement - Fast
I suspect they are far from perfect...but perhaps a start?
Peace, John.
edited to reflect comments - changed / removed feats
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Post by booboospooki on Sept 21, 2007 4:41:33 GMT
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Post by stonewarrior on Sept 21, 2007 7:03:35 GMT
I get an invalid page link.
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Post by exidorthequick on Sept 21, 2007 10:13:03 GMT
What's wrong with Atomie and Half-Fiend?
Your suggestions are interesting, but might need to be a bit toned down. For example, I don't see Epic Dodge ever being a bonus feat for any race, no matter how rare. It's simply too powerful at low levels (because your foes have few attacks).
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Post by booboospooki on Sept 21, 2007 11:57:03 GMT
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Post by maudlin27 on Sept 21, 2007 12:39:23 GMT
What's wrong with the atomie? That seems pretty decent for rogues.
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Post by stonewarrior on Sept 21, 2007 16:57:32 GMT
There really is nothing wrong with Atomie or Half Fiend. I guess I would like to see subraces which have rogue specific "free feats". Both have nice ability adjustments for rogues as well as skill points. However they lack any feats. Half Fiend seems more geared toward making an Assassin rather than a "pure rogue" which is the outcome I am looking to build. Comparing the Half Fiend to Kolyarut the abilities are somewhat coparable but Kolyarut gets 3 bonus feats which are perfect for making a Weapon Master. Erinyes offers four bonus feats useful / required for Arcane Archers.
I had not considered the unbalanced impact of Epic Dodge at lower levels. Perhaps instead of Epic Dodge the UR version could have a rogue bonus feat such as Crippling Strike or Skill Mastery. For the BUR version looking back it does seem a bit much. Perhaps taking out the two Improved Sneak Attack feats? Both versions would allow "free feats" that are available pre-epic.
Peace, John.
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