Spooks Dual Bastard BG (Rogu10/COT8/BG22)

[spoook]

hope u enjoy this one he kicks butt!
this is quite a complicated build so u need to stick to it to the letter otherwise itll go wrong i recommend trying it in the tester first

Rogue10, cot8 bg22(42)

Good offensive and defensive build

* Have the option of using a shield if ac is too low, u can let rip if its ok
* stupid damage in tests i do an average of 120 per hit and around 350 with a crit with normal bastard swords self-buffed
* 14-20 x4 crit
* high ab
* high saves
* evasion ?improved evasion
* crippling strike - STR damage
* divine shield - +7shield ac from divine shield if dual
* divine might +22 damage (1.5 cha mod)
* smite = 60d20(divine) 15d20(vile) damage every 2 mins
* 15d6 sneak attack
* lots of attacks per round, with option of less attacks better ac/ab (using shield)
* high umd + high cha - can use alot of objects
* crit immunity
+ bg spells - lvl4
* high taunt
* 75 sr (pharlan)
* Good conceal if camoflage is cast (high hide)

starting stats (in brackets after subrace)
h-elf pharlan -- alignment neutral evil
str 14(20) +4prell (@lvl 28,32,36,40) +10smite +10leg +4bg =48/60
int 14
wis 10(14)
Dex 14 +1pre (@lvl 4) = 15
Con 12
Cha 14(18) +5pre (@lvl 8,12,16,20,24) +2feat@lvl 21,24 +4bg = 29/41

STR Arti, double demi and +14 items = 68STR
+6 to all others if you include double demi status and +14 items

number in brackets next to class name is total levels in that class

1 rogue(1) -- powatt (needed for cleave)
2 rogue(2) -- +5hide (needed for bg)
3 rogue(3) -- cleave (needed for bg)
4 rogue(4) -- +1 DEX (needed for ambidextrous)
5 rogue(5)
6 rogue(6) -- exotic weapon proficiency
7 rogue(7)
8 rogue(8) -- +1 CHA (max out what skills u can as listed below)
9 bg(1) -- weapon focus bastard sword (needed for cot)
10 bg(2)
11 bg(3)
12 bg(4) -- +1 CHA, ambidextous
13 bg(5)
14 bg(6)
15 bg(7) -- divine shield
16 bg(8) -- +1 CHA
17 bg(9)
18 bg(10) -- two weapon fighting (change alignment to true neutral)
19 cot(1)
20 cot(2) -- +1 CHA, cot-bonus -- blindfight
21 cot(3) -- great charisma 1 (change alignment to neutral evil)
22 bg(11)
23 bg(12)
24 rogue(9) -- +1 CHA, great charisma 2 -- max out thief skills as listed up to levels below (change alignment to true neutral)
25 cot(4) -- cot-bonus -- gsmite1
26 cot(5)
27 cot(6) -- improved critical bastard sword -- cot-bonus -- gsmite2
28 cot(7) -- +1 STR
29 cot(8) -- cot-bonus -- gsmite3 (change alignment neutral evil)
30 bg(13) -- improved two weapon fighting -- bg-bonus -- gsmite4
31 bg(14)
32 bg(15) -- +1 STR
33 bg(16) -- gsmite5 -- bg-bonus --gsmite6
34 bg(17)
35 bg(18)
36 bg(19) -- +1 STR -- gsmite7 -- bg-bonus -- gsmite8
37 bg(20)
38 bg(21)
39 bg(22) -- gsmite9 -- bg-bonus -- gsmite10 -- concentraion40, taunt41
40 rogue(10) -- +1 STR -- rogue-bonus -- crippling strike/improved evasion (your call) -- craftweapon40 craftarmour40 tumble40 umd43 openlocks1

Skills at 40 should be :
concentration40 craftarmour40 craftweapon40 tumble40 umd43 hide5 taunt41 openlocks1
(you could swap craft armour, craftweapon and concentration for openlock disable traps and search if you wish)

Legendary (all stats go into strength)
41 +10 Strength from gsmite - read enchantment book -- Max out discipline and hide
42 +1 STR, great cleave
43
44 +1 STR
45 overwhelming crit bastard sword
46 +1 STR
47
48 +1 STR, Dev Crit bastard sword
49
50 +1 STR
51 extrasmiting/powercrit/greater weapon focus
52 +1 STR
53
54 +1 STR, epicweapon focus bastard sword
55
56 +1 STR
57 legendary weapon focus bastard sword (Max out hide=60 hide)
58 +1 STR
59
60 +1 STR, epic prowess (Max out discipline and taunt)

Final Skills
Discipline63 Taunt63 Hide60 craftweapon40 craftarmour40 tumble40 umd43 concentration40 openlocks1

This character deals some serious damage, you could if you wanted op to go for diremace or direaxe, but i liked the fact that i can always equip a shield if i need the extra ac.

Hope its clear enough.

Any comments welcome

[BigStick]

You need to add the class breakdown to the topic per build post requirements.

What are your saves like? Will might be a problem. Your max AB looks like it'll come in around 91 while dualing (@ 60 in +12 gear).

If levleing this character, I would probably put the AB feats before the Dev Crit line. It doesn't matter how much damage you *could* do if you can't hit in the first place.

[spoook]

At lvl 60 you will get +15 from cha (bg) and a further +4 from cot and if
You need the extra ab you can go single weapon with a shield with taunt and umd items (warcry) etc you should be able to hit stuff, if you want to change the feats round you can as long as you get the required cha before greater smite feats. In tests my saves without items and only +12 ability buffs are
Fort53 will47 reflex54 which are not too bad, your probably right with the ab feats before dev feats. I don't quite understand what you mean about the breakdown, thanks for feedback :-)
In tests Ab is 92 dual 96 single

[tomaan]

I've toyed around with dual-weild BGs in the past, but could never get one stable enough to go deep into LLs.

Even with Divine Shield, AC is low, which makes you reliant on your party for concealment or your gear for damage soak.

I found myself using a shield so often that I reincarnated without the dual wield feats. Not saying it can't be done, mind you, just that I was having some issues.

Quick note on saves: COT bonus is part of the max +20 saves bonus, so based on what you posted, you'd be looking at F70, W64, R71 which is pretty good.