Post by fallenwizard on Jul 24, 2011 20:26:01 GMT
When I was walking home today I started to think that it'd be cool to see a PM quasiclass. PM as it is now is specialised caster alrdy, which doesnt leave almost any room for a quasi to specialize further as a caster. This got me thinking of a bard PM. A support quasi that'd (hopefully) offer plenty of build options.
Instead of spells/songs, the quasi would use Hymns. There would be 5 different types of Hymns, but only 1 could be active at time (traditional type of bard in d&d). There would be 1 turn timer between changing a hymn, but they'd be unlimited of usage (possibly OP). Every Hymn would have positive effect on team members and negative on enemies.
I wanted to make build variaty as wide as possible and a way to do this i thought to make these Hymns based on ability scores:
Hymn of strenght:
-gives str mod/2 bonus in ab/damage (also spell%/ability%)
-reduces str mod/2 ab/damage
Hymn of dexterity:
-gives dex mod/2 ac, dex mod 2x concealment
-reduces dex mod/2 ac, dex mod x2 miss chance
Hymn of constitution
-gives con mod/3 ability checks, con mod/2 regen
-reduces enemy SR con mod/3 (non stacking with taunt)
Hymn of wisdom
-gives immunity aura based on PM level so that:
20 pm gets sleep/daze/fear imm aura
24 pm gets stun/confuse
28 pm gets silence/amni (OP?)
-reduces enemy saves wis mod/2, capped PM lvl/7, max -4
Hymn of intelligence
-gives int mod skill bonus / bonus vs skill checks
-reduces enemy skills int mod
Charisma + bard level determines radius of the Hymns
bard level + base charisma mod =
15 large
25 huge
35 gargantum
For pre requirements I was thinking something like 4bard/21pm by 35, i know this means TONS of free levels, but it opens up the build choices. I want to force PM CC while not forcing pure PM pre epic to give some hope for melee's to have reasonable AB. Could go caster type with more bard (16bard/24pm) or melee with 5bard/25pm/10blackguard or heck even AA with 4bard/15AA/21pm.
What feats to require? Artist, 25 ranks in perform, SF perform, ESF perform.
If unlimited usage sounds way too OP, each hymn could be base abiltiy turns/day, how ever this means if you max 1 of the abilities, it'd have basicly unlimited time as it'd be like 20 turns/day
I also dont know if it'd be possible to get bigger aura than huge, just wanted to add something for high bard classes to reach for and radius seemed like the best for charisma.
Edits:
The Hymn of dexterity might need cap's for max dex builds. I was thinking those modifiers for someone with 30-40dex, but if someone doe 74 dex build it'd be 64% conceal and 64% miss chance, maybe drop it to just dex mod if character has over 40 base dex.
Also keep in mind that if PM has 25 base str/dex they lose half of their AC bonus, so I was mainly thinking Str/Dex hymns for around that 34-38.
Hymn of wisdom possible could use base wisdom mod instead of wisdom mod/2, this'd mean that to get max drop would need 28pm and 18wisdom, so most builds would likely be at 3 anyways because not pure PM's and getting that 3 would require 16 wisdom, to make it cost somethng.
IMO the save drop would be better suite on Hymn of constitution, but I fear that if save drp is on same with ability bonus, it would be only one ever used, so that's why placed save drop on Wisdom.
Hymn of intelligence could possibly use some boost, but as it is now it'd be nice to use at certain maps with many conc or disc checks.
What I fear is how would balance go if there were 2 Death's Singstress in same group?
Also 1 minute timer to swap might be too harsh if you accidentaly click one you didnt want for example, 5rounds - timestop timer, might be better for the change cap. Also the effect of last Hymn you had activated could stay 1 round after turning it off - This how ever might cause some problems for trying to use greater sanctuary, as it'd alrdy be a round action to use item to turn the Hymn off and then another round wait before could use GS.
There could also be something free given when acquiring quasi status, perhaps 1 epic skill focus per ability:
Str - ESF discepline
Dex - ESF pick pocket
Con - ESF concentration
Wis - ESF listen
Int - ESF craft armor
Posted 3 types of possible builds, how ever there are many many more options of how to build this. There propably need to be limitation that you can only recieve 1 Hymn at time to prevent having 2-3 different kind of these in group giving huuuuuuuuge (way OP) support.
Instead of spells/songs, the quasi would use Hymns. There would be 5 different types of Hymns, but only 1 could be active at time (traditional type of bard in d&d). There would be 1 turn timer between changing a hymn, but they'd be unlimited of usage (possibly OP). Every Hymn would have positive effect on team members and negative on enemies.
I wanted to make build variaty as wide as possible and a way to do this i thought to make these Hymns based on ability scores:
Hymn of strenght:
-gives str mod/2 bonus in ab/damage (also spell%/ability%)
-reduces str mod/2 ab/damage
Hymn of dexterity:
-gives dex mod/2 ac, dex mod 2x concealment
-reduces dex mod/2 ac, dex mod x2 miss chance
Hymn of constitution
-gives con mod/3 ability checks, con mod/2 regen
-reduces enemy SR con mod/3 (non stacking with taunt)
Hymn of wisdom
-gives immunity aura based on PM level so that:
20 pm gets sleep/daze/fear imm aura
24 pm gets stun/confuse
28 pm gets silence/amni (OP?)
-reduces enemy saves wis mod/2, capped PM lvl/7, max -4
Hymn of intelligence
-gives int mod skill bonus / bonus vs skill checks
-reduces enemy skills int mod
Charisma + bard level determines radius of the Hymns
bard level + base charisma mod =
15 large
25 huge
35 gargantum
For pre requirements I was thinking something like 4bard/21pm by 35, i know this means TONS of free levels, but it opens up the build choices. I want to force PM CC while not forcing pure PM pre epic to give some hope for melee's to have reasonable AB. Could go caster type with more bard (16bard/24pm) or melee with 5bard/25pm/10blackguard or heck even AA with 4bard/15AA/21pm.
What feats to require? Artist, 25 ranks in perform, SF perform, ESF perform.
If unlimited usage sounds way too OP, each hymn could be base abiltiy turns/day, how ever this means if you max 1 of the abilities, it'd have basicly unlimited time as it'd be like 20 turns/day
I also dont know if it'd be possible to get bigger aura than huge, just wanted to add something for high bard classes to reach for and radius seemed like the best for charisma.
Edits:
The Hymn of dexterity might need cap's for max dex builds. I was thinking those modifiers for someone with 30-40dex, but if someone doe 74 dex build it'd be 64% conceal and 64% miss chance, maybe drop it to just dex mod if character has over 40 base dex.
Also keep in mind that if PM has 25 base str/dex they lose half of their AC bonus, so I was mainly thinking Str/Dex hymns for around that 34-38.
Hymn of wisdom possible could use base wisdom mod instead of wisdom mod/2, this'd mean that to get max drop would need 28pm and 18wisdom, so most builds would likely be at 3 anyways because not pure PM's and getting that 3 would require 16 wisdom, to make it cost somethng.
IMO the save drop would be better suite on Hymn of constitution, but I fear that if save drp is on same with ability bonus, it would be only one ever used, so that's why placed save drop on Wisdom.
Hymn of intelligence could possibly use some boost, but as it is now it'd be nice to use at certain maps with many conc or disc checks.
What I fear is how would balance go if there were 2 Death's Singstress in same group?
Also 1 minute timer to swap might be too harsh if you accidentaly click one you didnt want for example, 5rounds - timestop timer, might be better for the change cap. Also the effect of last Hymn you had activated could stay 1 round after turning it off - This how ever might cause some problems for trying to use greater sanctuary, as it'd alrdy be a round action to use item to turn the Hymn off and then another round wait before could use GS.
There could also be something free given when acquiring quasi status, perhaps 1 epic skill focus per ability:
Str - ESF discepline
Dex - ESF pick pocket
Con - ESF concentration
Wis - ESF listen
Int - ESF craft armor
Posted 3 types of possible builds, how ever there are many many more options of how to build this. There propably need to be limitation that you can only recieve 1 Hymn at time to prevent having 2-3 different kind of these in group giving huuuuuuuuge (way OP) support.
