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Post by wnxhalfwingseen on Jul 3, 2007 0:48:57 GMT
I have a question i tried testing the polymorphs with a ranger in the test area and it did not work is this exclusive to the test area or does it not work everywhere.
-Edit- Nothing happened at all no icons no benefits nothing worked at all.
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Post by FunkySwerve on Jul 3, 2007 1:45:15 GMT
What exactly didn't work? What happened when you cast it? Did you see effects icons next to your portriat? The more details the better. Funky
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Post by Acaos on Jul 3, 2007 2:55:51 GMT
I've found the Ranger Polymorph Self bug. Should be fixed next update.
Acaos
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Post by nicnik on Jul 3, 2007 3:03:39 GMT
1. Remove crit immunity from most things and balance the crit dmg, result would be a more even overall dmg output for all classes caught in either the melee or disabled situation. This is what I hoped would happen once hardcore rules were put in.
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Post by nohmask on Jul 3, 2007 3:50:04 GMT
I'vt got the solution with the "Stoneguard" feature.....just make the dwarfs suddenly puff up like the blueberry girl from Willy Wonka ! Wonder Dwarf power, Activate! Shape of a...um...squashed dwarf...From of a...um....really really fat squashed dwarf...! Who needs a mage ring wall with a few of these blocking the beasts off...almost as good as lala's dragon's bum....N.
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Post by starlandra on Jul 3, 2007 14:46:13 GMT
Well, for us normal folk, a Dusty's Pal RDD (Bd2-Pal8-RDD50) with 30 tumble ranks 14 base Dex in Full Plate and a fine set of UR gear can get 123 AC unbuffed with Pentavite Shield. This talk of higher (unbuffed -- let's be sure we are comparing apples to apples) numbers is nice, but does not apply to very many people at all. If I may be so bold, I think the above paragraph defines "easily" a bit better than inclusion of BUR gear, bardsong, and other buffs which may or may not be available in party. Trazik 14 dex and you wear full plate? that seems silly... get some med armor and max your dex bonus... my dual wielding str DD tank gets 115 with no shield using medium armor unbuffed. 121 with shield. not bad since she has no bur armor, or bur shield.. just wearing a bur amulet that gives no ac bonus and a bur guantlet that has sweet phy immunes. bottom line str tanks are possible to have decent acs...
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Post by Trazik on Jul 3, 2007 15:06:26 GMT
I have yet to find UR medium armour that is as good as, or as useful as Irridescent Plate. It may exist, but I have yet to find/acquire the item, not to mention the knowledge thereof.
And Half-guardinal has a large sub-racial dex bonus. This is not the place to debate why I made the character the way I did, thank you.
Trazik
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Post by lala on Jul 3, 2007 15:06:37 GMT
Well, for us normal folk, a Dusty's Pal RDD (Bd2-Pal8-RDD50) with 30 tumble ranks 14 base Dex in Full Plate and a fine set of UR gear can get 123 AC unbuffed with Pentavite Shield. This talk of higher (unbuffed -- let's be sure we are comparing apples to apples) numbers is nice, but does not apply to very many people at all. If I may be so bold, I think the above paragraph defines "easily" a bit better than inclusion of BUR gear, bardsong, and other buffs which may or may not be available in party. Trazik 14 dex and you wear full plate? that seems silly... get some med armor and max your dex bonus... my dual wielding str DD tank gets 115 with no shield using medium armor unbuffed. 121 with shield. not bad since she has no bur armor, or bur shield.. just wearing a bur amulet that gives no ac bonus and a bur guantlet that has sweet phy immunes. bottom line str tanks are possible to have decent acs... I think your basing your statement from your experience with a crit immune class. Try it with one that do not benefit from the immunity. Even 131-135ac while better than average is not great if taking crits. Lala
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Post by lala on Jul 4, 2007 0:19:29 GMT
Adding suggestion here for a way to balance crits for all classes, taken from my response in Drunken Tavern topic.
Suggestion/Thought: I would like to suggest that Crit Immunity is removed from all chars when they become incapacitated such as stoned/kd/entangled/etc. When the effect is cleared they then get their immunity back.
The only ones this do not apply to are those with perm immunity such as Juggernaut race and PM, not sure if Pariah is classed as a perm immunity.
I am suggesting this because without doing this its going to be very very difficult to balance the crits for the situation of a char not able to fight. The other option I can see apart from above is that the crits are balanced for chars that cannot ever benefit from the immunity, but this would mean DD and similar str builds with dmg immunity/etc have no worries.
All builds can suffer from one or more of the incapacitating effects and this provides a universal situation for balancing crits. Str classes that are currently defined with crit immunity would still have an advantage as they do not have to worry about the randomness of being hit with crits while fighting/running/drinking potions/rezzing/etc unlike dex chars and other str chars using different classes. This would help to make RDD playable without having crit immunity, and to an extent the various other str builds that do not conform to the crit immunity build structure.
Hastily put together as its early hours of the morning but I hope it makes sense. Cheers Lala
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Post by velikibaatezu on Jul 4, 2007 8:02:13 GMT
[quote author=lala board=MODUpdate thread=1183328519 post=1183508369This would help to make RDD playable without having crit immunity, and to an extent the various other str builds that do not conform to the crit immunity build structure.
Hastily put together as its early hours of the morning but I hope it makes sense. Cheers Lala [/quote]
Well that would be nerf to classes that now got crit immunity, and by nerfing those you wouldnt improve rdd . I see your point but i disagree with it, if you are immune to crtitcal hits then you are immune to critical hits in all situations. Balance should be achived as few suggested by adjusting base dmg, and any chance to see dex versions of those classes to get critical hits immunity ?
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Post by lala on Jul 4, 2007 8:40:25 GMT
Vel, if you give crit immune to dex, then you will have to give it to all builds that are not casters.......
Giving more crit immunity isnt the answer as you end up giving it to everything and then crits become academic.
The point is that if crit immunity is removed when KD/stone/ensnared/etc this would result in crits being evaluated better and potentially tweaked down.
That is the main benefit of the suggestion, makes it easier to tweak crit dmg.
For those convinced, consider the following 2 examples for a char without crit immunity. Fighting: Crit dmg between rare to often, say hit/hit/crit/hit/hit/crit When KD: Crit dmg nearly all the time crit/crit/hit/crit/crit.
Now does it make more sense to balance crit damage for when fighting or when KD? Lala
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Post by velikibaatezu on Jul 4, 2007 8:43:43 GMT
I wouldnt give crit immunity to rogue etc, but to those classes that now got it, i'd just remove str requirment for pallys,bgs,rangers and so on immunity, with the exception of cleric, so casters dont get it. So it would be same number of classes with crit immunity but with dex or str option
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Post by chainlink on Jul 4, 2007 9:24:58 GMT
Just out of interest were RDD builds considered too powerful as with the recent changes they've been hit by both the tier 2 ab and no options for crit immunity even though excepting Bloodfire mages they are 99% Str tanks. I know they get innate sneak immunity but its going to be tricky for them to stand up front if they're getting critted all the time.
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Post by nicnik on Jul 4, 2007 11:54:55 GMT
Although I am now disagreeing with any crit immunity given to any class but pm I think the point of the added crit immunity was to give it to those whose control class is a fighter BAB one (and str based).
But then that raises the question, why Monk get it?
oh and str based clerics too.
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Post by Delfestra Ruinvorn on Jul 4, 2007 14:08:03 GMT
I'd say because str-based fist monks, and tank-clerics, fill the same rolls. Lower AC, higher reliance on DR, front line tanks that stand in the way of big things. But thats my guess.
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