Post by chirality on Mar 10, 2012 16:06:51 GMT
Yeah, I have actually argued for the usefulness of Evo DC myself with a friend or two over and over in regards to wiz builds. I definitely see the benefit in having side effects actually land, full damage due to failed saves, etc. as being very nice. I specced in Evo to try it and it's fun and effective.
Like I said though, this is just my opinion but I feel like speccing in Evo for these benefits and losing two schools is just not worth it on a wiz. I can see a different cost-benefit exchange with a Theurge.
Again this is just my opinion but I think Conj is effectively interchangeable with Evo as far as being the source of heavy damage artillery. I think with summons, Evard's, and Orbs Conj is superior in many circumstances, and the much-lauded Evo spells I don't miss. Polar Ray for instance...sure, it's great damage and the chance to freeze is cool...but I don't miss it, and I certainly don't remember a single time ever where the sorc spamming Polar Ray a) froze enough mobs to make a difference; b) froze the right mobs to make a difference; c) who cares anyway that mob would be dead in 1d3 rounds regardless. MS? Sure, great spell in any arcanist's repertoire but I don't think it's a necessity, ever, and in my experience it's pretty useless or a worse choice for a 9 slot for pretty much everything but maybe Uro, and even then it's just a cheesy way to kill Nandaxalus (not like there aren't many other equally efficient and equally cheesy methods) and as far as massing the fire-vuln spawns go, I'll take other methods as well. Gust of Wind I think is the one thing that you can't get from anything else, and I left that out in my earlier post about why barring Evo is (again, imo) a pretty fatal mistake. No Wall, no Gust? Even if I think Evo sucks, those 2 spells alone (yeah and ele shield is nice eh) make it impossible for me to want to drop it.
Anyway, just want to clarify that I didn't mean to come off as insulting you or your build/build choice. I would bet money on the fact that your evo theurge or an evo spec wiz would be a blast (no pun intended ) to play and surely would perform well.
I just don't think it's worth it. The fact that (as has been pointed out ad nauseum and someone brings it up again every time a thread like this pops up) the schools are so well-balanced means that there probably really is no "wrong" answer, and I bet you could probably spec in Ench and bar Conj and Nec and still have a workable toon. I think there are many paths that will get you there with a fun ride, but I see only one or two paths as being "the best".
Like I said though, this is just my opinion but I feel like speccing in Evo for these benefits and losing two schools is just not worth it on a wiz. I can see a different cost-benefit exchange with a Theurge.
Again this is just my opinion but I think Conj is effectively interchangeable with Evo as far as being the source of heavy damage artillery. I think with summons, Evard's, and Orbs Conj is superior in many circumstances, and the much-lauded Evo spells I don't miss. Polar Ray for instance...sure, it's great damage and the chance to freeze is cool...but I don't miss it, and I certainly don't remember a single time ever where the sorc spamming Polar Ray a) froze enough mobs to make a difference; b) froze the right mobs to make a difference; c) who cares anyway that mob would be dead in 1d3 rounds regardless. MS? Sure, great spell in any arcanist's repertoire but I don't think it's a necessity, ever, and in my experience it's pretty useless or a worse choice for a 9 slot for pretty much everything but maybe Uro, and even then it's just a cheesy way to kill Nandaxalus (not like there aren't many other equally efficient and equally cheesy methods) and as far as massing the fire-vuln spawns go, I'll take other methods as well. Gust of Wind I think is the one thing that you can't get from anything else, and I left that out in my earlier post about why barring Evo is (again, imo) a pretty fatal mistake. No Wall, no Gust? Even if I think Evo sucks, those 2 spells alone (yeah and ele shield is nice eh) make it impossible for me to want to drop it.
Anyway, just want to clarify that I didn't mean to come off as insulting you or your build/build choice. I would bet money on the fact that your evo theurge or an evo spec wiz would be a blast (no pun intended ) to play and surely would perform well.
I just don't think it's worth it. The fact that (as has been pointed out ad nauseum and someone brings it up again every time a thread like this pops up) the schools are so well-balanced means that there probably really is no "wrong" answer, and I bet you could probably spec in Ench and bar Conj and Nec and still have a workable toon. I think there are many paths that will get you there with a fun ride, but I see only one or two paths as being "the best".