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Post by kingcamaro on Jun 18, 2012 4:52:42 GMT
just to help out pure wizards, which not many exist these days, perhaps to bring them a bit more in line with pure sorcs, would it be possile to grant them a 2nd school to specialize in.
"upon reaching wizard level 41, if the wizard has 40 levels of wizard (not including LLs) they may select a 2nd school to specialize in from the spell pedestal, without having to bar a 2nd school"
this eliminates PMs being able to spec in necro and ill, but gives something else for pure wizards... +2CL to 2 schools, where pure sorc get +1 to all schools (plus sorcs can channel up to +3)
thoughts, ideas?
(btw, i dont play a wiz, just reading discussions on sorc vs wiz junk)
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Post by Yojimbo on Jun 18, 2012 12:25:30 GMT
I do think it would be nice to give Pure Wizard's a carrot as Sorcerers do still seem to be prefered choice of players. I think currently the bonus for a Wizard is they get a full spell book and typically can focus in 1 more spell school than Sorcerer. The only other bonus is Polymathy which does seem great but takes a long time to get. I didn't think specialization effected CL only DC but that still isn't a bad idea or perhaps let pure Wizard's w/ specialization get a CL boost similar to Channeling if it doesn't give a CL boost already.
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Post by CataclysmicDeath on Jun 18, 2012 12:34:47 GMT
Certainly won't hear my pure Wizard complaining ;p
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Post by desocupado on Jun 18, 2012 13:02:01 GMT
Nice idea. Maybe there should be a smaller carrot for non-pure ones.
What about: If Wizard level 40, you get another specialization school for free (barred=2, specialization=2) If Wizard <40, you can block another school to get another specialization. (barred=3, specialization=2 or keep the old barred=2, specialization=1)
*Edit: number typo
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Post by Werehound Silverfang on Jun 18, 2012 13:24:22 GMT
Deso, having to bar a 3rd school is too much.
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Post by chirality on Jun 18, 2012 13:36:43 GMT
s let pure Wizard's w/ specialization get a CL boost similar to Channeling if it doesn't give a CL boost already. Very much +1.
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Post by desocupado on Jun 18, 2012 15:02:49 GMT
Deso, having to bar a 3rd school is too much. Well, but having splashed wizard with 2 specialization is not as satisfying as well. So this would just add an option.
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Post by bazukar on Jun 18, 2012 15:14:13 GMT
Specialist wizards get bonus spell slots? +20-25%?
I still say one of the main stumbling blocks to me playing a wizard is all the spellbook hassle. If you could have a few book loadouts saved for use on demand, or close to it, I'd totally finish leveling my wiz and play him more.
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Post by kaezar on Jun 18, 2012 15:16:06 GMT
I don't like that it is a conditional carrot. If you are a pure wizzie *AND* you specialize, you get the carrot. To really balance pure sorcerer free channeling, it would have to be something you get just for being pure.
What about this, if you are a pure wizzie, you get the benefits of a specialization in one school for free. You can still specialize to get the benefits of second specializatiion, at normal cost.
As for splash, I don't think they need help. Lootmages are good and dandy, still going strong. Other variations are even possible, although ppl usually don't take heed.
Take care Kaezar
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Post by gandoron on Jun 18, 2012 16:25:38 GMT
while I like my loot wiz, I think a free school of spec is an interesting idea as a pure wiz carrot.
I do think spec might need to be looked at in general. Giving up 2 schools is really tough in general. A sorc needs to pick spells, but can still get PWK, evards, premo, Weird, EV, mind fog, banish, etc across various schools. Completely barring 2 schools makes it have for the wiz to be useful in all areas...probably easier for a damage wiz.
-G
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Post by pete on Jun 18, 2012 16:54:02 GMT
personally I would rather the bonus for being pure affect spec wizards and universal wizards the same way.
cant think of anything right now.... maby a token like the paragon of polymathy but allows any arcane epic spell.
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Post by Yojimbo on Jun 18, 2012 18:08:38 GMT
Perhaps specialization no longer bars schools but inflicts a penalty to casting from the school.
Specialization changes Specialization school = +1 Foci or +2 DC if maxed effective Foci feats Barred/Inhibited school = are cast as if you have 0 foci regardless of Foci taken or granted via items and adds a -2 penalty to spell DCs this will also bar epic and paragon spells even if foci feat are taken or using Polymathy Specialist must still Bar/Inhibit 2 schools
Pure Wizard receives 1 free specialization w/o any Barred/Inhibited school.
Just an idea/starting point for some Wizard changes.
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Post by vorshlumpf on Jun 18, 2012 18:35:13 GMT
Though a bit off the original topic, I would also like to see specialization reduced in limitation. I love Pathfinder's take on it (I love their take on many of the rules), and a specialist can cast spells from the opposition schools, but they take twice as many spell slots. That sounds difficult to code, so maybe something along the lines of what Yojimbo said.
- Niilo
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Post by kingcamaro on Jun 18, 2012 21:58:49 GMT
I don't like that it is a conditional carrot. If you are a pure wizzie *AND* you specialize, you get the carrot. To really balance pure sorcerer free channeling, it would have to be something you get just for being pure. What about this, if you are a pure wizzie, you get the benefits of a specialization in one school for free. You can still specialize to get the benefits of second specializatiion, at normal cost. As for splash, I don't think they need help. Lootmages are good and dandy, still going strong. Other variations are even possible, although ppl usually don't take heed. Take care Kaezar i like that idea kaezar. as i said at the end of my post, i havent played a pure wiz, and i havent played my lootmage in years, i just assumed wizards specialized these days hehe. but being able to choose a specializiation for free, without having to be a spec wiz is more on par with what i was trying to propose. splash do not need help, and this isnt what the thread is about.
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Post by shardelay on Jun 19, 2012 14:23:02 GMT
Sounds like a good idea. An incremental move in the right direction. Much more is needed though, in my view, to bring parity to the two.
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