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Post by chammernick on Sept 15, 2012 18:55:47 GMT
Hear is our layout so far, please post what you would like to bring,
Arcane- Arcane2- Bard-Salek Bard2-Bob Shneider Cleric- Druid-Anarchyst Tank-Symply Tank-Tagnusd Tank- Picker-
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Post by tagnusd on Sept 15, 2012 19:13:47 GMT
Palladin please.
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Post by Paradoom on Sept 16, 2012 5:16:26 GMT
Maybe ill get back in time. If, then I have tank preferably, but I have some flex (bard, cleric, AA) if it would be absolutly necessary.
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Post by chammernick on Sept 17, 2012 3:18:39 GMT
FAIL!!! yes we failed...
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Post by Hercules on Sept 17, 2012 7:36:57 GMT
Noooo, that was sad news... did the run not happen, or did you wipe? how long in did you get ? Wish I could have been there to help, but maybe next time mate...
Herc
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 12:09:13 GMT
The run made it to Asmo Form 3 but a lack of DPS and coordination made the kill impossible. They gave it a heck of a shot though!
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Post by desocupado on Sept 17, 2012 18:09:03 GMT
The run made it to Asmo Form 3 but a lack of DPS and coordination made the kill impossible. They gave it a heck of a shot though! That's quite sad to hear... Any vets can give advice on how to do more damage to asmodeus more reliably? I know Ranger's invisibility purge, bludgeoning, cold and divine damage work, tough I can't say what's best
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 18:24:12 GMT
A big issue with that composition that group had were the toons all being 0 or 1 demi. That plays a huge negative impact on any party with almost all toons falling into this category. Players need to get toons to x3 demi more regularly with their toons before thinking they can start something else.
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Post by Yojimbo on Sept 17, 2012 19:12:06 GMT
0x isn't as much an issue currently with many of the power creeps we have had from the more recent updates particularly if they manage to get some paragon levels before hand. The 1x Demi though are the ones who can sometimes provide less than a 0x demi due to the effect of 4 additional layers of penalty. I don't know what the party ended up having for the fight besides the incomplete list of people signed up. So i wouldn't be so quick to blame it on the lack of demis after all more demis also means increased chance of tougher spawns which can be more devastating in certain situations than a lack of demi counts.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 19:50:50 GMT
I would blame it exactly on demi count and a lack of coordination. The paragon levels you mentioned were not present with the toons brought to the fight, so that's all moot. I also was on the Teamspeak server with them. The group lacked DPS as a whole, or just one individual to carry the rest through the fight, coordination, and the Demi iterations the players were at.
X0 while not as painful as x1 or x2 is still rough and it was a factor.
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Post by Yojimbo on Sept 17, 2012 19:58:42 GMT
Lack of coordination yes is a big factor and vastly bigger factor than lack of demi count. I would also wonder about perhaps a lack of gear/preparedness for the fight w/o the power of some people with a couple PLs and/or demi counts. So the issue was the party lacked a DPSer and coordination and while demi counts could have potentially lessened the problem of a lack in DPS it is not the real issue.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 21:54:25 GMT
Demi count and where people are at is a HUGE issue. I'll leave you to your ignorance.
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Post by wolf on Sept 17, 2012 23:01:22 GMT
So what about when hells came out Prepared when people had very few Burs and no demis ? Oh i forgot u werent here then were u
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Post by Yojimbo on Sept 17, 2012 23:01:41 GMT
Right I am ignorant just because you may have been to more end game runs which often happen to be in parties mostly filled with experienced veteran players on thier decked out high demi count toons making most hell runs a breeze. I'm clearly wrong about being able to easily over come demi count with proper planning, gearing (including consumables), and party cohesion and formation can over come.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 23:15:42 GMT
I didn't discount any of those things, what I said was, Demi Count is a big issue. Not all the steps you mentioned were taken for this party, and as a result, it failed. Demi Count was a big factor in this failure because those other steps weren't taken.
Wolf, my comments have been about this party, and this thread. Nothing else. But thanks for the thought.
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