Yukio ArA

[vorshlumpf]

Hi all,

I'm determined to use the Yukio subrace for something. With those bonus feats, it looks like it's best used for an Arcane Archer. I suppose Yukio's could be a half-decent rogue or shadowdancer with that +4 DEX (and just ignore the archery feats).

Anyway, I'm looking at ArA and I'd appreciate feedback on my attempts to put it together.

I was hoping to go "pure" and get the keen arrows, but I don't know if Yukio is good for that. Let's see, I'd loose out on the +6 to Will/Fort saves (to get LSF: Tumble) and the Disc/Conc/Parry dumps. But I'd get +4 to AC for the extra Tumble. Maybe later I'll do up a build for that option to compare.

- Niilo

Summary
Mnk9/Wiz1/ArA29/Mnk1

Concentration 30
Craft Armor 61
Craft Weapon 63
Discipline 43
Hide 30
Listen 63
Parry 43
Tumble 40

Feats:

Pre-Epic (7):
Strong Soul
Point Blank Shot
Greater Weapon Focus: Longbow
Improved Critical: Longbow
Weapon Finesse
Toughness
Great Fortitude

Epic feats (11):
Armor Skin
Epic Weapon focus: Longbow
Epic Prowess
Great Dexterity I - VIII

Legendary feats (7):
Legendary Weapon Focus: Longbow
Epic Self Concealment I-V
Legendary Hardened Soul

	At Creation	With Subrace Edits	At Level 60
STR	8	8	8
DEX	16	20	48
CON	16	14	14
INT	12	12	12
WIS	14	14	14
CHA	8	8	8

Level	Class	Ability Choice	Feat Selection	Skill Progression
1	Mnk (1)		Strong Soul	Disc +4 (4) Lstn +4 (4) Parry +4 (4) Tumb +4 (4) Total Saved: 4

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2

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Mnk (2)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]Disc +1 (5)
Lstn +1 (5)
Parry +1 (5)
Tumb +1 (5)
Total Saved: 5[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

3

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Mnk (3)

[/td][td] [/td][td]Point Blank Shot[/td][tr][td]Disc +1 (6)
Lstn +1 (6)
Parry +1 (6)
Tumb +1 (6)
Total Saved: 6[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

4

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Mnk (4)

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DEX

[/td][td] [/td][tr][td]Disc +1 (7)
Lstn +1 (7)
Parry +1 (7)
Tumb +1 (7)
Total Saved: 7[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

5

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Mnk (5)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]Disc +1 (8)
Lstn +1 (8)
Parry +1 (8)
Tumb +1 (8)
Total Saved: 8[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

6

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Mnk (6)

[/td][td] [/td][td]Greater Weapon Focus: Longbow[/td][tr][td]Disc +1 (9)
Lstn +1 (9)
Parry +1 (9)
Tumb +1 (9)
Total Saved: 9[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

7

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Mnk (7)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]Disc +1 (10)
Lstn +1 (10)
Parry +1 (10)
Tumb +1 (10)
Total Saved: 10[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

8

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Mnk (8)

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DEX

[/td][td] [/td][tr][td]Disc +1 (11)
Lstn +1 (11)
Parry +1 (11)
Tumb +1 (11)
Total Saved: 11[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

9

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Mnk (9)

[/td][td] [/td][td]Improved Critical: Longbow[/td][tr][td]Disc +1 (12)
Lstn +1 (12)
Parry +1 (12)
Tumb +1 (12)
Total Saved: 12[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

10

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Wiz (1)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td] Total Saved: 15[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

11

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ArA (1)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]Lstn +2 (14)
Total Saved: 18[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

12

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ArA (2)

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DEX

[/td][td]Weapon Finesse[/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (15)
Total Saved: 22[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

13

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ArA (3)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (16)
Total Saved: 26[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

14

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ArA (4)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (17)
Total Saved: 30[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

15

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ArA (5)

[/td][td] [/td][td]Toughness[/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (18)
Total Saved: 34[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

16

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ArA (6)

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DEX

[/td][td] [/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (19)
Total Saved: 38[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

17

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ArA (7)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (20)
Total Saved: 42[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

18

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ArA (8)

[/td][td] [/td][td]Great Fortitude[/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (21)
Total Saved: 46[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

19

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ArA (9)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (22)
Total Saved: 50[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

20

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ArA (10)

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DEX

[/td][td] [/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (23)
Total Saved: 54[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

21

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ArA (11)

[/td][td] [/td][td]Armor Skin[/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (24)
Total Saved: 58[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

22

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ArA (12)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (25)
Total Saved: 62[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

23

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ArA (13)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (26)
Total Saved: 66[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

24

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ArA (14)

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DEX

[/td][td]Epic Weapon Focus: Longbow
Epic Prowess[/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (27)
Total Saved: 70[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

25

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ArA (15)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (28)
Total Saved: 74[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

26

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ArA (16)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (29)
Total Saved: 78[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

27

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ArA (17)

[/td][td] [/td][td]Great Dexterity I[/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (30)
Total Saved: 82[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

28

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ArA (18)

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DEX

[/td][td]Great Dexterity II[/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (31)
Total Saved: 86[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

29

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ArA (19)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (32)
Total Saved: 90[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

30

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ArA (20)

[/td][td] [/td][td]Great Dexterity III[/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (33)
Total Saved: 94[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

31

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ArA (21)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (34)
Total Saved: 98[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

32

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ArA (22)

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DEX

[/td][td]Great Dexterity IV[/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (35)
Total Saved: 102[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

33

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ArA (23)

[/td][td] [/td][td]Great Dexterity V[/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (36)
Total Saved: 106[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

34

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ArA (24)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (37)
Total Saved: 110[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

35

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ArA (25)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (38)
Total Saved: 114[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

36

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ArA (26)

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DEX

[/td][td]Great Dexterity VI
Great Dexterity VII[/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (39)
Total Saved: 118[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

37

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ArA (27)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (40)
Total Saved: 122[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

38

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ArA (28)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (41)
Total Saved: 126[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

39

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ArA (29)

[/td][td] [/td][td]Great Dexterity VIII[/td][tr][td]Lstn +1 (42)
Total Saved: 130[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

40

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Mnk (10)

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DEX

[/td][td] [/td][tr][td]Conc +30 (30)
Disc +31 (43)
Lstn +1 (43)
Parry +31 (43)
Tumb +28 (40)
Total Saved: 14[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

41

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ArA (30)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]CrW +29 (29)
Lstn +1 (44)
Total Saved: 30[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

42

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ArA (31)

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DEX

[/td][td]Legendary Weapon Focus: Longbow[/td][tr][td]CrW +5 (34)
Lstn +1 (45)
Total Saved: 30[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

43

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ArA (32)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]CrW +5 (39)
Lstn +1 (46)
Total Saved: 30[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

44

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ArA (33)

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DEX

[/td][td] [/td][tr][td]CrW +5 (44)
Hide +30 (30)
Lstn +1 (47)
Total Saved: 0[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

45

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ArA (34)

[/td][td] [/td][td]Epic Self Concealment I[/td][tr][td]CrA +1 (1)
CrW +4 (48)
Lstn +1 (48)
Total Saved: 0[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

46

[/td][td]

ArA (35)

[/td][td]

DEX

[/td][td] [/td][tr][td]CrA +4 (5)
CrW +1 (49)
Lstn +1 (49)
Total Saved: 0[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

47

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ArA (36)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]CrA +4 (9)
CrW +1 (50)
Lstn +1 (50)
Total Saved: 0[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

48

[/td][td]

ArA (37)

[/td][td]

DEX

[/td][td]Epic Self Concealment II[/td][tr][td]CrA +4 (13)
CrW +1 (51)
Lstn +1 (51)
Total Saved: 0[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

49

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ArA (38)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]CrA +4 (17)
CrW +1 (52)
Lstn +1 (52)
Total Saved: 0[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

50

[/td][td]

ArA (39)

[/td][td]

DEX

[/td][td] [/td][tr][td]CrA +4 (21)
CrW +1 (53)
Lstn +1 (53)
Total Saved: 0[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

51

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ArA (40)

[/td][td] [/td][td]Epic Self Concealment III[/td][tr][td]CrA +4 (25)
CrW +1 (54)
Lstn +1 (54)
Total Saved: 0[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

52

[/td][td]

ArA (41)

[/td][td]

DEX

[/td][td] [/td][tr][td]CrA +4 (29)
CrW +1 (55)
Lstn +1 (55)
Total Saved: 0[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

53

[/td][td]

ArA (42)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]CrA +4 (33)
CrW +1 (56)
Lstn +1 (56)
Total Saved: 0[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

54

[/td][td]

ArA (43)

[/td][td]

DEX

[/td][td]Epic Self Concealment IV[/td][tr][td]CrA +4 (37)
CrW +1 (57)
Lstn +1 (57)
Total Saved: 0[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

55

[/td][td]

ArA (44)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]CrA +4 (41)
CrW +1 (58)
Lstn +1 (58)
Total Saved: 0[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

56

[/td][td]

ArA (45)

[/td][td]

DEX

[/td][td] [/td][tr][td]CrA +4 (45)
CrW +1 (59)
Lstn +1 (59)
Total Saved: 0[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

57

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ArA (46)

[/td][td] [/td][td]Epic Self Concealment V[/td][tr][td]CrA +4 (49)
CrW +1 (60)
Lstn +1 (60)
Total Saved: 0[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

58

[/td][td]

ArA (47)

[/td][td]

DEX

[/td][td] [/td][tr][td]CrA +4 (53)
CrW +1 (61)
Lstn +1 (61)
Total Saved: 0[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

59

[/td][td]

ArA (48)

[/td][td] [/td][td] [/td][tr][td]CrA +4 (57)
CrW +1 (62)
Lstn +1 (62)
Total Saved: 0[/td][/tr][/tr][tr][td]

60

[/td][td]

ArA (49)

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DEX

[/td][td]Legendary Hardened Soul[/td][tr][td]CrA +4 (61)
CrW +1 (63)
Lstn +1 (63)
Total Saved: 0[/td][/tr][/tr][/table]

[vorshlumpf]

"Pure" Option:

Mnk9/Wiz1/ArA30

Concentration 30
Craft Armor 10
Craft Weapon 63
Discipline 31
Hide 30
Listen 63
Parry 31
Tumble 60

Feats:

Pre-Epic (7):
Blooded
Point Blank Shot
Greater Weapon Focus: Longbow
Improved Critical: Longbow
Weapon Finesse
Toughness
Great Fortitude

Epic feats (12):
Epic Weapon focus: Longbow
Epic Prowess
Great Dexterity I - X

Legendary feats (7):
LSA: Tumble
Legendary Weapon Focus: Longbow
Epic Self Concealment I-V

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I don't have the final saves, ac, and ab calculated, but this build gains 2 AC overall (+4 tumble, +1 DEX, -2 Armor Skin, -1 from less Craft Armor), loses 6 from Will/Fort saves, gains 1 in Refl saves, and has half the Disc and Parry. It also gains the keen property from maxing out Arcane Archer levels.

Thoughts?

[the1kobra]

Oct 24, 2012 3:13:03 GMT vorshlumpf said:

"Pure" Option:
I don't have the final saves, ac, and ab calculated, but this build gains 2 AC overall (+4 tumble, +1 DEX, -2 Armor Skin, -1 from less Craft Armor), loses 6 from Will/Fort saves, gains 1 in Refl saves, and has half the Disc and Parry. It also gains the keen property from maxing out Arcane Archer levels.

The following calculations assume: Level 60, +12 BUR Gear, no artefact.

Saves:
6/6/6 (Monk)
0/0/2 (Wizard)
7/7/3 (AA)
41/41/41 (Gear, Saves Gear, Epic, LL)
2/19/2 (Stats)
2/0/0 (Feats)

58/73/54

AB: 16(Pre-epic)+10(Epic)+9(LL)+8(Focus)+15(AA)+25(dex)+20(enh) = 103
AC: 10+12+ 8(Wis)+1(Monk)+25(dex) +15(Armor)+17(Nat)+17(Defl)+20(Dodge) +2 (CrA) = 127

[vorshlumpf]

Thanks a bunch, the1kobra! I tried doing those myself, but missed some things.

Comparing the two options above I have:

	#1	#2
Saves*	+62 +73 +62	+56 +74 +56
AB	103	104
AC	126	128
Misc		Auto-keen

* Swapped Great Fort for Iron Will to balance out the weaker saves.

Obviously, the second option is better overall, with the exception of Will/Fort saves. I'm not sure how bad a 56 save is - I just know that most builds aim for at least 60.

[the1kobra]

Lets just say, it's not pleasant.

Personally, I'm not sure if the self conceal feats are worth it. You can, if you drop three of them on the second version: Boost up your fort to 60 with epic fort, will to 63 with legendary will, and get armor skin to pad your AC some more. Could get blind fight and rapid shot with the other two feats opened up.

[vorshlumpf]

Thanks for the continued feedback, the1kobra! I really appreciate it, much like I appreciate all the good builds you've put on the forum (I'm currently using Cookie Cruncher to make a Whisper Gnome assassin).

So I understand that you value 60+ saves over Self Concealment. I liked the idea of an always-on 50% conceal, but defer to your judgment on the importance of the saves.

If I spend two feats on higher saves, I could have 30% SC. Do you think 30% is too insignificant?

Armor Skin would be nice, yes, if I decide to give up on SC.

Blind Fight - I don't have a good sense of the value of this feat so I couldn't compare it to 10% of concealment. I just thought it would be less important with my maxed Listen skill.

I don't need to grab Rapid Shot, since that comes for free with a Yukio. I suppose I could work in another save feat.

- Niilo

[vorshlumpf]

By the way, I just noticed your location. I hope all is going well for you - as well as it can be given recent events. If my Google-Fu is adequate, looks like you just got power back today.

- Niilo