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Post by condude1 on Jan 24, 2013 23:14:29 GMT
I really like desocupado's idea, 1 Bur race for the 1st immo on an account, 1 BUR @ first 60 and 1 @ first demigod. This would be like a sphinx tag - no book, just flat tag. This would make it much more easy for new players to experience the server without making vets have it all.
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Post by desocupado on Jan 24, 2013 23:45:51 GMT
My suggestion was 1 random BUR for 1st demi - just that. Maybe for first level 60 (or 65) would be more helpful for new players. It''s random, but incentives them playing again (or build up cash)
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Post by condude1 on Jan 24, 2013 23:56:24 GMT
That also works, I just ran with it a bit. 1 for demi seems a bit late, many players don't get there. Maybe a UR for 40 and a BUR for 60? Though I agree that 3 is too much, you are right.
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Post by desocupado on Jan 25, 2013 0:01:02 GMT
Actually most vets hand out UR (or don't pick them in hells) freely. Just ask
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Post by FunkySwerve on Jan 25, 2013 0:04:27 GMT
There's a bit of tension when trying to establish this kind of incentive, as you have to ensure that it's not exploitable, and you don't want to give handouts to vets. Worse, we can't easily check to see how many characters are in an account, so it'd have to be a stored value in the database.
We could easily award a random subby tag (not book) on reaching 40 and 60, if the account didn't already have subby tags - or at least UR or BUR subby tags, respectively. Of course, if you already got one from a kindly vet, that wouldn't do you much good.
Funky
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Post by halfwingseen on Jan 25, 2013 0:31:06 GMT
There's a bit of tension when trying to establish this kind of incentive, as you have to ensure that it's not exploitable, and you don't want to give handouts to vets. Worse, we can't easily check to see how many characters are in an account, so it'd have to be a stored value in the database. We could easily award a random subby tag (not book) on reaching 40 and 60, if the account didn't already have subby tags - or at least UR or BUR subby tags, respectively. Of course, if you already got one from a kindly vet, that wouldn't do you much good. Funky I actually really really like this idea. hell i'd be the kind of person to pop a new account to get to 40-60 to see what race my account would be and only play that race xD
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Post by condude1 on Jan 25, 2013 0:31:52 GMT
Yeah, @ 40 and 60 a UR and BUR tag respectively would greatly increase the fun new players have and, with giving the account a tag, it wouldn't be exploitable.
Edit: Changed for clarity.
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Post by laserpointer on Jan 25, 2013 0:47:54 GMT
Since the introduction of abyss, gold has been really easy to come by and doesn't really have much value anymore. This has created a problem where trades are almost impossible to conduct because with a valueless currency, trading becomes the rare case of one person needing item A and having an extra of item B, another person needing item B and having an extra of the item A, but ONLY if items A and B take roughly the same amount of time to obtain. And when there's not much left to collect except uber egos which are far more valueable than a BUR book...the BUR books will remain in bank vaults until there's a risk that a future update will diminish their value.
I do think helping out newbies with books they need to progress is healthy for the server, but as for the market for BUR books themselves, it seems a bit out of whack when there's not much of equal value to a BUR book except a BUR book.
Edited first paragraph out because the post above mine was edited...
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Post by madzapper on Jan 25, 2013 0:54:13 GMT
Yeah, @ 40 and 60 a UR and BUR book respectively would greatly increase the fun new players have and, with giving the account a tag, it wouldn't be exploitable. I disagree a little bit. 40 and 60 for a UR subrace seems more reasonable to me. It is way to easy to get to level 60. My opinion is still a collection of LL tags + lvl 60 for a fixed predetermined BUR subrace, and demix1 for a random BUR subrace. This subrace could be something like a cross between pixie and undying (maybe usable as any race) so it works for any build. The fixed subrace allows someone to make a toon that can potentially be reincarnated with only one book later when the user gets a BUR book. Having to perform many LL tags gets the user to play areas in the mod. Having the subrace fixed alleviates the exploit-ability as it's always the same. Random at demix1 seems it could encourage playing different toons and additional valuable bonus for becoming demi. Both options also promote more playtime and goals that can be achieved. My opinions, of course. Madzapper
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Post by desocupado on Jan 25, 2013 1:42:44 GMT
There's a bit of tension when trying to establish this kind of incentive, as you have to ensure that it's not exploitable, and you don't want to give handouts to vets. Worse, we can't easily check to see how many characters are in an account, so it'd have to be a stored value in the database. We could easily award a random subby tag (not book) on reaching 40 and 60, if the account didn't already have subby tags - or at least UR or BUR subby tags, respectively. Of course, if you already got one from a kindly vet, that wouldn't do you much good. Funky Seems very good system design. Checking for tag presence in the account before adding is perfect to target only new players (or accounts as Laser points below). A random tag is a pretty good incentive. Tough I'd delay the UR subrace to level 50, so the secret subraces don't become purposeless (i.e. they would be pretty good if you don't like your first immortal very much and want to change or just don't like the subrace you got at random). Well, since it's a random tag per account, so it's not like one or two subrace will destroy the economy. Since the introduction of abyss, gold has been really easy to come by and doesn't really have much value anymore. Agreed - Abyss hands out too much gold (A nerf between 33% and 50% would be well placed - tough it doesn't affect veterans multi-boxing). But this gold is only available for people that can run abyss (i.e. minority of the player base). With just Hells and LL runs it's quite hard to save up 2 bil. This has created a problem where trades are almost impossible to conduct because with a valueless currency, trading becomes the rare case of one person needing item A and having an extra of item B, another person needing item B and having an extra of the item A, but ONLY if items A and B take roughly the same amount of time to obtain. And when there's not much left to collect except uber egos which are far more valueable than a BUR book...the BUR books will remain in bank vaults until there's a risk that a future update will diminish their value Agreed, gold isn't the currency for trading. Reason: Volatility-It's a commodity for services like, Limbo repair, demi-shop and electrifier. Even huge MMORPG have this problem (Diablo 2 used SoJ as currency, Guild Wars 1 and Diablo 3 had persistent auction houses to keep up the the volatility of the gold, but you can easily compare their fluctuation over months). Gold is a resource infinitely and easily generated, it just needs to have it's income and sinks options adjusted. Maybe a few new attractive: - For 4 billion gold sell a Forge book to remove aug (or remove the item and keep the aug) - like ulith at Forge of Ixion
- 1 billion for a re-roll properties book
- Demishop Poisons needs to have more appeal (their price is a bit too high to make people want to use them often)
I'm pretty sure Vets would burn up all their reserves very quickly with the buyable forge books,even at this high price. That seems really exploitable. Say I was a new player. I would create 1 account, level up a toon to lvl 40-60 take Rad Gen. Then just create another account for a 2nd character and take Half Celestial. Would seem to greatly diminish BUR books in value. Well multi boxing is an exploit on it's own. And don't you need like one CD key per account you would create? (this is a honest question) Upgrading subraceInstead of buning subraces book make it cost gold: - Upgrade to Secret Subrace 500 mil
- Upgrade to Ultra-rare 1 billion
- Upgrade to Beyond-Ultra-Rare 4 Billion
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Post by laserpointer on Jan 25, 2013 2:00:29 GMT
Well multi boxing is an exploit on it's own. And don't you need like one CD key per account you would create? (this is a honest question) Nope. You can tie as many accounts as you want to one cd key.
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Post by desocupado on Jan 25, 2013 2:08:45 GMT
Well multi boxing is an exploit on it's own. And don't you need like one CD key per account you would create? (this is a honest question) Nope. You can tie as many accounts as you want to one cd key. So, the system would need to check the CD key instead of account name? (Personally I don't see this as a big problem, as it would incentive more lowbie parties, i.e. think about how many times you'd have to play LL and below to get the a BUR subrace - and hten you'd have to play it all over with a fresh level 1 character with that subrace - not to mention the pain of swapping transferring gear around) On unrelated notes, here another gold sink idea: - Use a significant Gold amount (2-4 bil) to remove reincarnation time
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Post by condude1 on Jan 25, 2013 2:22:10 GMT
That seems really exploitable. Say I was a new player. I would create 1 account, level up a toon to lvl 40-60 take Rad Gen. Then just create another account for a 2nd character and take Half Celestial. Would seem to greatly diminish BUR books in value. Note "random" BUR subrace, they can't choose. With there being 35 BUR races it would, on average, take 17 level 60s to get either HC or Rad. Gen. and then 35 more to get the other one. I think that if someone really has the time to make 52 characters on 52 accounts to get a certain 2 races, let them, playing in Hades would be much, much easier.
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Post by KnightErrant on Jan 25, 2013 4:22:00 GMT
All in all 2-5 billion is what a probably what a subrace book should cost in gold. If you have a nice item you can trade that as well. It took me about 7 months to get my first bur subrace. I remember when HC was the top pick on nessus (PW did not drop). -G iirc it took me about a year to get my first BUR subrace--Howler. One of my favorite BUR book stories: Had been playing here a little over a year and a half and was on a Malb-Mala double run...towards the end of Mala word got out via guild chats that there was a Koly AND a Half Celestial race book in the loot collected so far...by the time we went to a guild hall to split the server was full and I was already getting offers for the books should I be lucky enough to roll 1st or 2nd in the lootsplit from players that weren't on the run. It was a virtual "feeding frenzy" where it seemed like everyone who played on the server was logged in to witness the outcome of the lootsplit... Odd thing to me in retrospect was that Hells had been out for over a year before I started playing here...so....BUR race books had been dropping for roughly two and a half years ?... and yet the top ones were still in that kind of demand... Not trying to sound like a "Heartless uber rich uncaring vet" but when I hear players whine about having played for a couple months--(or less)-- and not having the best uber races and gear to play with I get slightly annoyed... KE.
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Post by vulp on Jan 25, 2013 4:47:02 GMT
On unrelated notes, here another gold sink idea: - Use a significant Gold amount (2-4 bil) to remove reincarnation time
Maybe remove some time from reinc timer with that amount of gold instead of removing whole timer. Also this should cost more cause you don't really have to reinc that often.
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