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Post by chirality on Feb 27, 2013 20:58:30 GMT
On the not-so-bright side, the high-visibility Sirivor mentions also means that a single player spamming the same trade over and over is very annoying and tiresome to everyone else.
There's a certain point at which you can reasonably assume that your ingame trade offer has been noticed by anyone and everyone who could possibly be interested in your trade. I think that line was crossed at least a day or 2 ago, and for the forums as Sirivor says you really don't have to worry about people missing it here either.
So far I've seen precisely one single player receive your trade offer with positive results, and my guess is that Jimbo is more interested in helping you out than "OMG I NEED CHA ARTI SO BAD". I'm not saying he is ONLY interested to do you a favor (every trade will usually has at least one person who likes it, and if someone has "extra" SH and needs a Cha arti then there you go) but it seems pretty obvious that no one else is interested in your trade, so that says something.
Many people both ingame or here on the forums have done their best to "kindly" advise you that the trade maybe isn't so attractive to most people, and have tried explaining why this is so.
The fact that you continue to ram this down everyone's throats, especially with the goal of "having the SH in reserve" for "when you can use it" when last I saw your toon wasn't even WS tagged let alone Hells-ready, is aggravating.
I'm not sure how much longer you intend to keep this up but please do us all a favor and give it a break.
There's the fact that you're not a brand-new player, who needs to be coddled and done favors, to keep you sticking around "for the good of the server".
Then there's the odd fact that you can do Ely runs and get a Cha Arti but have nothing else of value to trade. This is very strange.
There's a history of unscrupulous players who like to exploit the generosity of others.
I'm not judging you one way or the other in that regard, but your single-minded obsessiveness to get this SH--and your lack of concern for why your trade isn't working, or why other people are getting annoying--is not presenting you in a very favorable light.
Just some food for thought.
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Post by Chaotic Theory on Feb 27, 2013 21:09:13 GMT
I have a tendency to want my gear BEFORE I can use it so I'm not scrambling around. And I am sorry if I am over using the bazaar channel but last I checked that's what it was meant for and if it is bothering you, as I can see it is then I apologize but it's what I've always done. For now on when you wanna confront me like this do it in the personal messages, as I didn't need your two cents here.
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Post by chirality on Feb 27, 2013 22:31:49 GMT
I don't know why you view this as a "confrontation". I'm speaking my mind about an issue that, like I said, isn't presenting you in a very positive light to most players. Although it seems like an attack I think I'm doing you a favor by saying this to you rather than just ignoring it and pretending it's not happening.
Furthermore I've had bad experiences in the past with exchanging personal messages with players, so I'm hesitant to put myself in a position that an unscrupulous player could use against me. Given your negative reaction so far, I'm glad I made that decision. If it's public and viewable by all then there's nothing hidden that can be used against either party and no way to mistake the words of either party.
Honestly I don't do "normal" trades and I can !filter bazaar without any negative impact for myself. But that's not the point.
If it was just the spamming that bothered me I would simply ignore it and leave it at that. Yet it's very rare to see players spam as much as you do, and for every exception there's a good reason behind it, and I'm curious what yours is.
But it's not the spamming alone that bothers me; it's the way you're doing it, and the unclear reasons why you're doing it in the way you are.
Like I said, other players have done their best to help you out with this. You seem to either be oblivious to, or purposefully ignoring, their well-intentioned efforts.
So this was my attempt at putting it in a way that is impossible to mistake or ignore.
If that's a confrontation, so be it. But I'm not one to sugar-coat my words and sacrifice the integrity of my message for the sake of preserving your feelings, when you're unwilling to sacrifice your own self-interest for the sake of people not wanting to trade with you and not wanting to !filter bazaar just to avoid your spam.
This is about respect. I respect your desire for a Strongheart, but you don't seem to be respecting the fact that 99% of players don't consider your Cha Arti worth their Strongheart, even after this has been made very clear to you by multiple players saying it multiple ways.
Maybe someone will get twice-lucky and end up with not only a SH in the splitter but also picking it when they don't need it, and maybe that someone really wants a Cha Arti. I'm pretty sure if and when that happens they'll be sure to get in contact with you (and by now everyone knows exactly how to do that).
But asking over and over again won't make a SH materialize in the hands of a player willing to trade with you; if anything it's probably really jeopardizing your chances of getting a good trade because everyone knows how obsessed you are with getting one.
What will you do when someone gets a SH they're willing to part with, but then decides to take advantage of your overwhelming desire for one and will only trade it to you for more valuable things you may not have because now they know how bad you want it?
This is just simple business sense; the game is for fun but loot is serious and no one takes this as a joke. By blasting everyone with how bad you want a SH, you're basically saying "Someone take pity on me and give me a trade out of generosity", because only generosity and kindliness will prevent someone from taking advantage of your huge desire for a SH.
I mean come on, you wouldn't walk into a car dealership every day for a week straight, and continually complain about how you want to trade in your not-so-desirable car for one specific highly-desirable car because you want that other car so bad. And what's this, you can't even drive yet? You just want to make sure that you have that great car waiting for you after you get your license? After the first day or two of hounding the salesman to accept your trade, he's going to roll his eyes until you present him with a better offer, and he's going to laugh really hard when he tells the story to his boss and the other salesmen.
Again this is not an attack, but get real. I'm not saying your trade is so lopsided that no one would ever do it, but essentially you're asking people to bend over backwards to help you. When you ask people to bend over backwards for you again and again and again and again, it gets pretty old pretty fast.
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Post by Chaotic Theory on Feb 27, 2013 23:22:54 GMT
Just for everyone's sake ill slow down but I didn't think it was a big deal nor did I believe it was hurting anyone's feelings toward me but keep the chatting to my personal messages please and thanks
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Post by chirality on Feb 28, 2013 2:56:15 GMT
Ok, I understand and respect your desire to avoid this and keep it private After what I said earlier though I think you deserve this response to be public as well, although if you read this and prefer not I will simply delete it No hard feelings I hope, and thanks for your public !chat apology ingame earlier In turn I apologize for jumping to conclusions and linking your behavior with that of others which was unfair. Not that you "misbehaved" and needed to apologize for wrongdoing--but the fact that you reached out publicly in !chat to "apologize" shows good faith Good luck with your chanter, and don't worry about lacking a few number points, like I said in !chat I know full well what you mean by wanting to make sure you can optimize a toon before you spend time on it, I'm a pretty bad min/maxer with OCD tendencies myself, I know where you're coming from, but just try to be positive and don't let yourself get held down by the fact that some items just are in real short supply...SH is just a hard one because like they said, it only drops infrequently whereas Cha Arti is guaranteed, and lots of people have lots of tanks, but most people don't have lots of sorcs
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Post by Chaotic Theory on Feb 28, 2013 3:17:09 GMT
Thanks Chirality. That is really appreciated. Like I said, I will hold out till I get strongheart
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Post by Chaotic Theory on Feb 28, 2013 20:34:46 GMT
BIG UPDATE!
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