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Post by KnightErrant on Mar 4, 2013 16:40:33 GMT
Some thoughts I had...
Wizard: Allow one free school specilization, ie no barred school.
AA/Slinger: Any bow or sling equipped has unlimited Mighty property. Point Blank Shot range is doubled or tripled. Sneak Attack range is doubled or tripled.
StrLarge: 95% or more of all Clerics have Girding so this would have to stack to be useful. Maybe add +6 to +8 Shield modifier to weapon wielded if not using a shield and no Monk levels. Some way to access listen would be nice too...+4 CHR mod would suggest use as a CoT/BG/Pally that don't get listen as a skill.
BG: Vile Immunity seems very weak, at least in the current mod. Maybe add Improved Sneak Attack I-II-III or Aura of Courage.
Staffy: Might be a little OP for both staffmasters and staff monks...
Rogue: Maybe replace current ESF's with ESF Listen/Discipline/Hide ?
DD: 20% Physicals might be a bit much and the HP bonus should be broken up so a level 1 doesn't have 1000 at 1st level. Might want to make sure it can't be used for a Pariah too.
I'll likely think of some more to add later.
KE.
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Post by pete on Mar 4, 2013 17:15:29 GMT
please could the XR subs for primary casters (cleric druid sorc wiz) keep the base race dynamic apearance (i.e. they dont change it), as i really like customizing my armor / weapon / shield on these
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Post by Torin on Mar 4, 2013 17:20:53 GMT
- Sorc vs. Wizard: Breach immunity is powerful but Immune to level 7 and below spells not (immu to lvl6 anyway from Ethereal Visage. What spells are lvl 7?) - Immune to Area Mord: Very nice (aka overpowered?) - Staffy:WS/EWS QStaff? Then Staffy would outdamage everything 100 % - DD Dwarf: 20% Physical Immunity, +1000 HP. I wonder what would happen if a Pariah takes that class....OP - Dexer: Epic Dodge as feat is very powerful. Some builders could make crazy builds with that... - Uni: +20 Ride - for what is/will be ride good for? True KD Immunity is unique. - Rwit: Charm Monster like a Vampire. I'm curious.
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Post by Fade on Mar 4, 2013 17:29:48 GMT
First thanks for all of the effort put into these. It's exciting to see these on the horizon. Figured I'd also throw some suggestions for the name side of things.... Tanarukk (Half-Orc Barb) - Orcs who have been tainted with the blood of a Tanar'ri demon. They are what Tieflings are to humans. Lythari (Human Shifter) - Lythari are true lycanthropes. Offspring of lycanthrope parents through a ritual of bonding, leaving a wolf bite scar Urdunnir (Dwarf Shadowdancer) - A long forgotten race of dwarves that dwell in the underdark. Able to pass through stone and earth at will. (Seemed to fit the template well) Deep Imaskari - (Human Wiz or Sorc) -Decendants of the ancient empire Imaskar. Exiled deep underground after it's fall thousands of years ago. Firesoul/Stormsoul Genasi - (BFM/DSM) - Not much here, Genasi are likely over done here. But the names sounded really cool anyway. Eladree (Elf Ranger) - They are offspring of Noble Eladrin and elves born while serving Hanali Celani, the fey aspect of Sune, Goddess of love and beauty. Fey'ri (Half - Elf Lash) - SImilar to Tanarukks in that they are a cross between a Tanar'ri demon and an elf. I sourced all of these from the Forgotten Realms wiki, paraphrasing backgrounds for a little flavor. As I'm finished this, I thought of a couple more, but I think I'm gonna play for a bit.
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Post by FunkySwerve on Mar 4, 2013 18:05:01 GMT
First of all, for those of you suggesting races, here are the guidelines used:
The comments are Shardelay's, and any suggestions should account for them.
Some of the subraces have names, but name suggestions are definitely welcome. Not sure how best to do this, but here's a data dump (including BUR subs - sorry, can't be bothered to pick em all out, our spreadsheet has em side-by-side for comparison):
Bard Human Favored of BRD XR Warchanter Dwarf Favored of Warchanter XR Sorc Human Radiance Genasi BUR Sorc Human Favored of Sorc XR Wiz Gnome Spelljammer BUR Wiz Any Genie BUR Wiz Human Favored of Mystra XR Druid Any Rilmani BUR Druid Half-Elf Favored of Silvanus XR Ploder Any Half-Celestial BUR Ploder Human Favored of Ploder XR PM Human Negatai BUR PM - Plate Gnome Favored of Asmodius Male XR SorcPM - Plate Gnome Favored of Asmodius Female XR SorcPM - Robes Elf Favored of Loviatar Female XR PM - Robes (or reg loot wiz) Elf Favored of Loviatar Male XR Theurge Elf Drow Noble Female BUR Theurge Elf Drow Noble Male BUR Theurge Elf Favored of Llolth Female XR Theurge Elf Favored of Llolth Male XR Turner Human Favored of Ao XR BFM/DSM Human Favored of Kossuth XR Herald Human Favored of Herald XR Pariah Any Maelephant BUR Pariah Gnome Favored of Pariah XR Gnomish Inventor Gnome Favored of Inventor XR Shifter Any Anarch BUR Shifter Human Favored of Shifter XR Str BFM/DSM Gnome Favored of Tiamat XR SL Half-Elf Thunderborn BUR SL Elf Favored of StormLord XR BClr Half-Orc Half-Cyclops BUR BClr Half-Elf Favored of Helm XR LT Human Favored of LT XR BK Half-Elf Favored of BK XR Lash Half-Elf Favored of Lash-Male XR Lash Half-Elf Favored of Lash-Female XR Staffy Human Paragon fo Staff XR PAL Human Half-Cloud Giant BUR PAL Any Hound Archon BUR Str/Div Gnome Half-Eladrin BUR Str/Div Half-Elf Pharlan BUR Str/Div/Large Half-Elf Favored of strdiv Large giant dude XR Str/Div Half-Elf Favored of DivTank - Male XR Dex/Div Half-Elf Favored of DivTank - Female XR BG Half-Elf Favored of BG XR Barb Half-Orc Paragon of Barbarian XR RNG Half-Elf Wemic BUR CS RNG Str Human Favored of Mielikki XR CS RNG Dex Elf Favored of Mielikki2 XR MNK Any Zenythri BUR MNK Any Half-Kyton BUR MNK Dwarf Favored of Grumbar XR ROG Any Half-Fiend BUR ROG Halfling Favored of Mask XR SD Human Half-Molydeus BUR SD Dwarf Para SD XR Str Asn Half-Orc Favored of Cyric XR Dex Asn Halfling Favored of Shar XR DD Dwarf Howler BUR DD Dwarf Favored of DD XR RDD Any Salamander BUR RDD Dwarf Favored of RDD XR ZEN Elf Sidhe BUR ZEN Human Favored of Lathlander XR AA Any Erinyes BUR AA Elf Favored of AA XR Slinger Halfling Furchin BUR Slinger Halfling Favored of Tymora XR Dex Halfling Brownie BUR Dex1 Elf Favored of Dex1 XR Dex2 Half-Elf Favored of Dex2 XR Str Half-Orc Juggernaut BUR Str Human Cambion BUR Str1 Half-Orc Favored of str1 XR Str2 Human Favored of str2 XR Uni/WM Any Kolyarut BUR WM Human Favored of Temppus XR Uni Half-Elf Half-Guardinal BUR Uni1 Halfling Favored of uni1 XR Uni Elf Undying BUR Uni2 Elf Favored of uni2 undying again XR Rapier Wit Half-Elf Favored of Rapier Wit XR Intuitive attack Half-Elf Favored of Intuitive Attack XR
Obviously, there's a 'Favored of' theme going on, though I'm not married to it, and many only have standins, like Favored of <class>. Any help in that arena would be fantastic.
Funky
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Post by FunkySwerve on Mar 4, 2013 18:07:23 GMT
please could the XR subs for primary casters (cleric druid sorc wiz) keep the base race dynamic apearance (i.e. they dont change it), as i really like customizing my armor / weapon / shield on these We'll probably be going with base appearance for most, not just because of the Favored of theme, but also because players like being able to mod appearance, and also because we've used so many already. Funky
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Post by desocupado on Mar 4, 2013 18:29:19 GMT
Can we keep base appearance, and change to a custom one with pcscrying device?
I mean, I'd like to use a Raksha appearance for a Caster or a Leonal for a Monk.
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Post by pete on Mar 4, 2013 18:47:50 GMT
please could the XR subs for primary casters (cleric druid sorc wiz) keep the base race dynamic apearance (i.e. they dont change it), as i really like customizing my armor / weapon / shield on these We'll probably be going with base appearance for most, not just because of the Favored of theme, but also because players like being able to mod appearance, and also because we've used so many already. Funky Woo Hoo! on the wiz v sorc XRs the feats seem relatively balanced to me (though spell pen is going to be in every casters build the the metas arnt all, though i would never make a blaster build without maximize. It should also be pointed out that in BURs this was reversed with Genie gives spell pen feats and Radiance giving silent spell, empower and maximise, so any argument that wizards XR gets it worse could also be applied to their BUR equivelents in reverse) but the breach imm vs lvl 7 imm doesnt seem fair, from EV a wizard will have lvl 6 imm anyway and can take a lvl 7 spell to get immunity to lvl 7s how about giving the wizard XR immunity to direct mord? this seems balanced to me in abyss ely and abo (though hell you can get away without mord on rak free layers) i also really like the idea of a free spec school, this would help those wizard that dont want to block any schools get access to the paragon bonus CLs EDIT - on a side note what builds are the gnome PM XRs with cleave and +5 hide ment for?
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Post by Chaotic Theory on Mar 4, 2013 19:19:57 GMT
I like deso's idea on the XR race for WC, need some kind of cha bonus in there, I like the +4str/+4dex/2+con/+4cha
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Post by KnightErrant on Mar 4, 2013 19:34:11 GMT
Idea for players that love how they look...
Changeling Female: Human +2 Dex +6 Wis +6 Int +2 Con Extend Spell, Spell Pen, G.Spell Pen, Waterbreathing, Levitation, +10 CArmor/Concentration Can change appearance 1 time only per current Doppleganger rules. Changeling Male: Human +6 Str +6 Dex +2 Int +2 Con Toughness, Blooded, Exotic Prof, Waterbreathing, Levitation, +10 CArmor/CWeapon Can change appearance 1 time only per curent Doppleganger rules.
Fairly generic templates with blah stuff that you'd likely take on any toon...
KE.
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Post by pete on Mar 4, 2013 19:43:18 GMT
Idea for players that love how they look... Changeling Female: Human +2 Dex +6 Wis +6 Int +2 Con Extend Spell, Spell Pen, G.Spell Pen, Waterbreathing, Levitation, +10 CArmor/Concentration Can change appearance 1 time only per current Doppleganger rules. Changeling Male: Human +6 Str +6 Dex +2 Int +2 Con Toughness, Blooded, Exotic Prof, Waterbreathing, Levitation, +10 CArmor/CWeapon Can change appearance 1 time only per curent Doppleganger rules. Fairly generic templates with blah stuff that you'd likely take on any toon... KE. I love this idea!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2013 20:20:57 GMT
Added BFM/DSM melee XR subby to table. Sorry I missed it.
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Post by desocupado on Mar 4, 2013 20:40:12 GMT
There's a typo in Ranger as well (their bonuses aren't in the table)
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Post by kusin111 on Mar 5, 2013 2:35:34 GMT
This is exciting to see! Thanks for all the hard work.
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Post by chirality on Mar 5, 2013 5:12:06 GMT
I like having the freedom to choose to be a Female or Male character and equally excel at both. ------------ Wizard gets shafted compared to sorc. Sorc XR frees up 3 feats (Spell Pen/GSP/ESP) and gets breach immunity; Wiz XR only frees up 2 feats (Extend+Empower - sorc can be perfectly functional without maximize spell, same with wiz) and gets Immunity to 7th and lower spells which they can easily get from a buff - ironically which is generally only available to wizards because of sorc limited spell selection - instead of breach immunity. ---------- Same thing as above goes for BFM/DSM race compared to sorc. +1, +1 and +1 Of course also +1 as far as the "thanks" goes Really I'd like to see with new races sorc stop being the "favorite" of the server I know this isn't the place for it but the fact that sorc enjoys some really "unfair" advantages with existing loot is just not right and needs to be corrected, I know asking to go back and "even the field" with a hundred existing items is asking too much but we could at least start off the new EE/XR era with a clean slate Edit: Also want to point out that after reading the 2nd page, I want to clarify that I'm not just trying to "jump on the bandwagon"...I recall a while ago KE posted something in an unrelated thread in which he briefly referred to the sorc and wiz races...and I instantly thought wow wiz gets shafted ... I felt it was premature (and offtopic) to say anything at the time, but, looks like now's the time I disagree with pete that Genie > Rad Gen Silent Spell is not a waste by any means and sorc is so tight on feats that any feats help, it makes no sense to say SP is "better" or "more useful" than Emp or Max since the inclusion of these two feats makes up a big power difference and most sorcs certainly have a hard time fitting them in, so this is a nice bonus...come on let's be real sorc is custom crafted to be awesome from the class mechanics to the loot to the subraces...let's not pretend it isn't...I'm not saying that I necessarily put stock in the rumors of "conflicted interest" with devs liking to suit up their favorite toys to be the best but that's sure how it looks, I could give a dozen examples from aforementioned Genie vs Rad Gen (say what you want but it's at worst even and at best lame since Rad Gen is craftable appy and Genie is not only uncraftable but also ridiculous looking), to my recently-mentioned Rona belts, to even a super duper lowbie sorc staff set drop found in zhents which I can find absolutely no equal for wiz in any lowbie area, and yes I've done a lot of searching, onward to sorc shop gear (can give full examples of these also if needed) I don't mean to derail or argue and will create a different thread if anyone wants to debate this, but I did feel it ontopic to post my thoughts here, again let's start out new races with sorc not getting the cream of the crop Wizard: Allow one free school specilization, ie no barred school. This would barely fix the inherent class divide alone .... even before we talk of XR subs
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