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Post by zarcane on Mar 13, 2013 20:01:35 GMT
hello! i need help on some character choice. i want a sorcerer. i like the class that sorcerer and dragon disciple bloodmage or dragonmage but cant decide which one to go for. they the same thing except different elements. which element or class is better? thanks!
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Post by Torin on Mar 13, 2013 20:12:42 GMT
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Post by KnightErrant on Mar 13, 2013 20:14:36 GMT
There's a nice post from Shroomery_ entitled Zeus or Hades with the pros and cons of both.
You can check out the post or maybe even message him/her for more advice...
KE.
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Post by starlandra on Mar 13, 2013 21:00:45 GMT
link stuff like that KE! my version of IE at work is horrible, which makes this site much harder to navigate
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Post by desocupado on Mar 13, 2013 22:46:26 GMT
Well, if oyu want to make a tank a BFM melee is quite solid.
Usually I'd recommend a pure sorcerer or the red mage (red mage is specially suited for newer players)
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Post by Yojimbo on Mar 13, 2013 22:50:46 GMT
To me for a new player I personally think the Bloodfire Mage, BFM, is easier than the Dragonstorm Mage, DSM, but generally there is barely a difference. Here is a list of reccomended Open Sub Race builds for each though they can easily be converted from BFM to DSM and vice versa if you like one build but want to go for the other element. BFM Builds: Deadly DreadnaughtThe BurninatorOpen IncineratorDSM Builds: Shock and ClawZeus also includes BFM build "Hades"
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Post by desocupado on Mar 14, 2013 1:30:43 GMT
There's also a tough caster Storm of Flames (Sorc 19/RDD 20/Paladin 1 - BFM)make sure to pick one of the versions in the last pages - it's reasonable if you are reincarnating already. Make sure to pick up additional meta magic with an open subrace.
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Post by chirality on Mar 14, 2013 7:16:30 GMT
for open sub, one great option is to take advantage of a certain secret (spoiler below) that helps these subs out, most players are more than happy to help, you could ask ingame and you should have no trouble getting this help, it's a nice teeny upgrade for open sub Spoiler warning... The secret I refer to is that there are consumable items that drop from certain dragon bosses, called "dragon bloods" colloquially, which will grant a special bonus for open subraces In particular, what made me think of this was "uro blood" which grants free Cleave feat, this is pretty useful for tank builds, and BFM is always happy to get extra feats, it's easy enough to get OC/DC on a BFM tank and cleave frees up a feat for you Other bloods aren't really so useful, but there's no shame in using one, and nothing to gain by not using one, these items drop as set loot from several dragon bosses and most people have not much use for them, I'd suggest asking ingame to try obtaining one and you can drink it when you build the toon to get the free feat (you can drink it at any level of course, but obviously the earlier you get the feat the more useful it is for build progression) Conversely for subraces with a damage type vulnerability (like Half-Dragons) the blood will reduce the vulnerability instead of a free feat, this is also helpful There is more information on this I can post if you're interested but you can also find out by talking to people ingame, I'd suggest this as the preferred option as it gives you chance to make new friends
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Post by zarcane on Mar 15, 2013 13:17:55 GMT
i am taking these spells i am level 40 went 30 sorcerer, 10 dragon disciple what do you think
level 1: Endure Elements, Expeditious Retreat, Orb of Sound, Mage Armor, Negative Energy Ray, Shocking Grasp at 41 level 2: Death Armor, Gedlee's Electric Loop, Ghostly Visage, Melf's Acid Arrow, Shock Weapon, Vocalize at 41 level 3: Clarity, Gust of Wind, Lightning Bolt, Scintillating Sphere, Displacement at 41 level 4: Elemental Shield, Evard's Black Tentacles, Vortex of Teeth, Wall of Fire, Orb of Sound at 41 level 5: Ball Lightning, Energy Buffer, Flensing, Mestil's Acid Sheath, Vitriolic Sphere at 41 level 6: Chain Lightning, Ethreal Visage, Isaac's Greater Missle Storm change for Freezing Sphere at 41 level 7: Great Thunderclap, Orb of Electricity, Finger of Death change for Delayed Blast Fireball at 41 level 8: Premonition, Sunburst, Greater Sanctuary change for Summon Creature VIII at 41 level 9: Bigby's Crushing Hand, Mordenkainen's Disjunction, Meteor Swarm
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Post by tomaan on Mar 15, 2013 17:35:53 GMT
i am taking these spells i am level 40 went 30 sorcerer, 10 dragon disciple what do you think level 1: Endure Elements, Expeditious Retreat, Orb of Sound, Mage Armor, Negative Energy Ray, Shocking Grasp at 41 level 2: Death Armor, Gedlee's Electric Loop, Ghostly Visage, Melf's Acid Arrow, Shock Weapon, Vocalize at 41 level 3: Clarity, Gust of Wind, Lightning Bolt, Scintillating Sphere, Displacement at 41 level 4: Elemental Shield, Evard's Black Tentacles, Vortex of Teeth, Wall of Fire, Orb of Sound at 41 level 5: Ball Lightning, Energy Buffer, Flensing, Mestil's Acid Sheath, Vitriolic Sphere at 41 level 6: Chain Lightning, Ethreal Visage, Isaac's Greater Missle Storm change for Freezing Sphere at 41 level 7: Great Thunderclap, Orb of Electricity, Finger of Death change for Delayed Blast Fireball at 41 level 8: Premonition, Sunburst, Greater Sanctuary change for Summon Creature VIII at 41 level 9: Bigby's Crushing Hand, Mordenkainen's Disjunction, Meteor Swarm Just remember: you'll only get full caster levels/power on BFM spells (or DSM if you went that route), all other spells will max out at/above CL 50 or so (depending on egos or other bonuses). This shouldn't be too much of an issue for defensive spells, but it will severely limit your offensive spells....I would seriously consider changing any offensives spells that are NOT on the DSM/BFM list as they'll likely fizzle out (or do little/no damage) during end-game.
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Post by Yojimbo on Mar 15, 2013 17:39:36 GMT
Check otu the wiki for BFM and DSM spells to make sure you pick up the quasi classes spells also if you have the HGE Hak installed spell descriptions should say if they are. BFM WikiDSM Wiki
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