I'm well aware of what false pretences are Funky and normally, apart form sometimes (not always but sometimes) thinking your attitude kinda stinks (my opinion and as a lawyer I'm sure you'll agree I'm entitled to it, I'm also pretty sure you feel the same way about my attitude 90% of the time but meh I digress) I would never try to say that you are ever anything but helpful to players.
If you were well aware of false pretenses, you would never have posted in this thread in defense of this idiot. It's not just a fancy-sounding turn of phrase, it's the legal underpinning of fraud. Voila:
Click MeHow would that make him innocent? I'm already assuming he's actually one of the kid's of the 'parent' account, if only because I'm a humanist, and don't like to assume that adults are generally that douchey. Young and stupid is my preferred explanation.
You're wrong. It's libel, and no, he would not. Not only would he actually have to demonstrate harm - hah - but he would have to prove a false statement, which I haven't made. Since you seem confused, I'll elaborate. I'm not claiming that Chaos is the same person. I'm simply resigned to the fact that someone with Chaos's ip is engaging in this behavior, and that Chaos is purportedly the parent of this person, and that he has purportedly tried and failed to curtail this behavior. As I'm not omniscient, I have no way of knowing whether or not there are actually multiple people on the other end of that ip, but it's not terribly relevant to the outcome. In many of the salient ways, you ARE your ip and cd keys on HG (which is why we give you the means to password protect your account). I really don't care about WHO is engaging in the behavior, so much as I care about preventing the behavior.
Then you have a gift for it. Not the good kind.
Yes, you are. You're also blasting the admins responsible for providing your entertainment. No one is asking you to blacklist anyone, we're just warning you not to treat him as a new player, since he's repeatedly burned people in the past. We're providing you information for your own good, and you're attacking us for it. Idiot.
I don't really care what does it for you, Cata - I'll leave that to your wife. I also don't really care if you heed our warning - you are most welcome to shoot yourself in the foot. What I do care about is you questioning our honesty and/or judgment when we warn you of scurrilous behavior by other players. You never actually asked any proof, you just tore into KE, who was doing his job, providing a public service to the players of the server. Not only is such suspicion totally ungrateful, it's completely unwarranted. I don't know what beef you have with KE, if any, but something is clearly clouding your judgment.
We've already told you that this is a running problem, with a thread in the DM forum. In fact, the problem goes back something like seven years. The typical torrented NWN cd key on our servers has between 10 to 20 different playernames on it. Torrented, as in shared across the entire internet. Between the three keys on that ip, there are 61. My own personal estimation is that there is one parent account, and either one or two kid accounts, but again, I have no way to be sure. axis16881's key only has two accounts on it, but Chaos16881's key has 51. Alpha's has another 8.
When have we ever 'strung someone up', Cata? That bit of prosaic clownishness aside, this question betrays a profound ignorance. The short answer is, if you attempt to hack our servers from your ip, then yes, in fact, we will 'string up' anyone on that ip, by contacting that ip's provider and getting their service cancelled (which we've had to do all of once in our 10+ year history - well, twice, but for the same person, who lost to acaos' superior kung-fu in the end). As I've already said above, in the electronic world, you are in many senses your ip, as that is one of the few concrete bits of data that we weary server admins have to go by. It's not a perfect world, but you do have ways to protect yourself - some provided by us. Can I peer through the intertubes to see how many people of what age are actually engaging in the unwanted behavior? Clearly not. But we would be remiss if we didn't inform our players about what we DO know. Which is of course what KE was doing before you went off half-cocked. In that spirit, and in spite of your attitude, I'll post the full listing of accounts on the three primary suspect keys at the end of my post.
If you really don't trust me, or the people under my auspices, I'm quite surprised that you're still playing here. After all, if the Team can just conjure all the rewards it likes absent the normal costs of playtime, and you don't trust us not to do so, then there's precious little reason to invest your playtime, when it could be so easily devalued. More succinctly, if you really don't trust us, why are you still playing here? Or even bothering to ask for more information, which we could, after all, have just fabricated? WEB OF LIES! By contrast, if you do, why are you trolling me?
Funky
PLEASE NOTE: The following could have been totally made up in an effort to make Cata look bad. Or something. I definitely do not have anything better to do with my time than mess with his head, or to make idle accusations targeting random 'new' players for kicks and giggles. It's not like I actually want new players - heck, I would much prefer it if NO ONE enjoyed the fruits of my labor. In fact, I only keep these forums open in a defiant act of self...defiance. Yeah. Now you'll have to excuse me; I'm going to go sort my dustbunny collection by color instead of size.
mysql> select * from pwdata where val like '%QG6LTNLW%';
+--------+-----+----------------------------+----------+--------+---------------------+
| player | tag | name | val | expire | last |
+--------+-----+----------------------------+----------+--------+---------------------+
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyaxis16881 | QG6LTNLW | 0 | 2006-11-27 09:30:22 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyEldritch_Fire | QG6LTNLW | 0 | 2009-02-07 15:39:13 |
+--------+-----+----------------------------+----------+--------+---------------------+
2 rows in set (0.00 sec)
mysql> select * from pwdata where val like '%QYUQ7RPF%';
+--------+-----+-----------------------------------------+-------------------+--------+---------------------+
| player | tag | name | val | expire | last |
+--------+-----+-----------------------------------------+-------------------+--------+---------------------+
| ~ | Set | PlayernameKeyAoMMaster1069 | QYUQ7RPF-QGMQ36AW | 0 | 2007-12-29 19:10:17 |
| ~ | Set | PlayernameKeyChaos16881 | QYUQ7RPF-QGMQ36AW | 0 | 2008-06-08 02:03:53 |
| ~ | Set | PlayernameKeyJaso12 | QYUQ7RPF-XYZESTXX | 0 | 2011-12-29 11:26:51 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKey-Alpha.Omega- | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2010-10-27 00:51:22 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKey-TheBrute- | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2013-03-01 01:36:20 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyAnastasoulis_Dreams | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2009-02-15 23:56:06 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyAoharu | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2010-02-13 12:11:08 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyArcaneEmperor | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2012-12-25 22:41:48 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyBreaking The Silence | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2013-01-01 21:02:24 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyBring The Pain | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2010-11-24 04:02:48 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyCarracosta | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2012-08-05 19:09:41 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyChaos Returned | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2011-03-20 18:44:09 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyChaotic Theory | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2013-02-23 15:05:18 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyCodyMills2069 | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2012-11-03 17:30:53 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyDrunkenmaster | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2012-04-25 00:44:13 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyElementalHero | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2007-07-02 21:54:02 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyElemental_Spitfire | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2013-02-28 16:54:05 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyFromWayBack | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2012-02-13 04:16:52 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyFyreChyld | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2007-03-04 20:25:43 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyGore-illa | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2011-04-22 23:09:28 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyHall of Valhalla | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2011-09-15 02:37:14 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyHawke_Z | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2007-12-25 17:47:14 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyHoV | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2011-10-18 23:06:21 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyHybridNightmare | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2007-06-18 19:14:31 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyImperfect Elysium | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2012-03-06 23:10:07 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyiSupport | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2011-10-29 20:34:56 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeylostrozzacavalli | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2011-05-20 17:58:46 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyNeverGiveUp-NeverSurrender | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2013-02-28 02:10:33 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeynikolai volkov | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2011-07-24 15:43:24 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyNochikua | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2010-02-13 11:36:11 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyPeace.N.Love | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2011-02-07 19:20:29 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyperpetual_n00b | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2011-05-21 20:58:17 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyPhyrexiarch | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2012-04-23 17:25:15 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyPSYCH0S1S | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2010-10-27 01:42:45 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyRisen_Sorcerer | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2012-03-28 02:54:00 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyRyu-Kishin | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2013-02-16 02:12:49 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyshadowedskull | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2007-07-06 21:39:13 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyShank13 | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2012-04-22 16:19:14 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyShoomery_ | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2011-11-01 18:36:25 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyShroomery_ | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2012-02-13 00:55:36 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeySwagger1337 | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2013-03-16 21:37:13 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyTHE-UB3R-N00B | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2013-02-27 15:43:53 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyThePastIsReal | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2007-06-29 03:24:06 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyThunder.Lightning | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2012-02-21 19:07:00 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyTZ- | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2011-06-01 02:27:37 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyValhalla | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2011-09-10 01:18:04 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyXalo | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2011-10-22 13:44:02 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyxXPSYCH0S1S_3XP3R1M3N7Xx | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2010-10-27 01:28:36 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyx_TacticZ_x | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2012-02-21 19:30:19 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyYou Know Me | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2012-04-22 21:19:50 |
| ~ | ~ | PlayernameKeyz-arcane | QYUQ7RPF | 0 | 2013-03-10 20:35:56 |
+--------+-----+-----------------------------------------+-------------------+--------+---------------------+
51 rows in set (0.20 sec)
mysql> select name from pwdata where val like '%QC4N7AGK%';
+---------------------------------+
| name |
+---------------------------------+
| PlayernameKeyAlpha Radiation |
| PlayernameKeyarcher195 |
| PlayernameKeycnm_90 |
| PlayernameKeyfudgems |
| PlayernameKeyfury16881 |
| PlayernameKeyTayL33T |
| PlayernameKeyValkyrie Forbidden |
| PlayernameKeyXanutex |
+---------------------------------+
8 rows in set (0.19 sec)
mysql> select name from pwdata where val like '%QGMQ36AW%';
+--------------------------------+
| name |
+--------------------------------+
| PlayernameKeyAoMMaster1069 |
| PlayernameKeyChaos16881 |
| PlayernameKeyChaos.16881 |
| PlayernameKeyJohnMoss1 |
| PlayernameKeymichael the angel |
| PlayernameKeyphisarazu |
+--------------------------------+
6 rows in set (0.24 sec)
mysql> select name from pwdata where val like '%XYZESTXX%';
+---------------------+
| name |
+---------------------+
| PlayernameKeyJaso12 |
+---------------------+
1 row in set (0.18 sec)