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Post by Yojimbo on May 31, 2013 15:54:02 GMT
Base Race: Human Sub-race: Half-Kyton DEX: +4 CON: +4 WIS: +4 Skills: +8 Hide, +8 Move Silently, & +10 Tumble Feats: Dodge, Mobility, & Improved Spell Resistance I + II Starting Stats:| Level 1 | Fighter (1) | STR: 16
DEX: 16 (20)
CON: 12 (16)
WIS: 8 (12)
INT: 14
CHA: 8
| Strong Soul
Blooded
Expertise | Hide +2 |
| Level 2 | Shadowdancer (1) | | | | Level 3 | Shadowdancer (2) | | WF: Light Flail | | Level 4 | Shadowdancer (3) | DEX +1 (21) | | | Level 5 | Shadowdancer (4) | | | | Level 6 | Shadowdancer (5) | | Spring Attack | | Level 7 | Shadowdancer (6) | | | | Level 8 | Shadowdancer (7) | DEX +1 (22) | | | Level 9 | Shadowdancer (8) | | Whirlwind Attack | | Level 10 | Shadowdancer (9) | | | Intimidate +4 | | Level 11 | Weapon Master (1) | | WoC: Light Flail | | Level 12 | Weapon Master (2) | DEX +1 (23) | Toughness | | Level 13 | Weapon Master (3) | | | | Level 14 | Weapon Master (4) | | | | Level 15 | Weapon Master (5) | | GWF: Light Flail | | Level 16 | Weapon Master (6) | DEX +1 (24) | | | Level 17 | Weapon Master (7) | | | | Level 18 | Weapon Master (8) | | Blind Fight | | Level 19 | Weapon Master (9) | | | | Level 20 | Weapon Master (10) | STR +1 (17) | |
| Level 21 | Weapon Master (11) | | Great Strength I (18) | | Level 22 | Weapon Master (12) | | | | Level 23 | Weapon Master (13) | | Armor Skin | | Level 24 | Weapon Master (14) | STR +1 (19) | Great Strength II (20) | | Level 25 | Weapon Master (15) | | | | Level 26 | Weapon Master (16) | | EWF: Light Flail | | Level 27 | Weapon Master (17) | | Great Strength III (21) | | Level 28 | Weapon Master (18) | STR +1 (22) | | | Level 29 | Weapon Master (19) | | Epic Prowess | | Level 30 | Weapon Master (20) | | Great Strength IV (23) | | Level 31 | Weapon Master (21) | | | | Level 32 | Weapon Master (22) | STR +1 (24) | Improved Whirlwind Attack | | Level 33 | Weapon Master (23) | | Great Dexterity I (25) | | Level 34 | Weapon Master (24) | | | | Level 35 | Weapon Master (25) | | Blinding Speed | | Level 36 | Weapon Master (26) | STR +1 (25) | Great Dexterity II (26) | | Level 37 | Shadowdancer (10) | | | Tumble +30 | | Level 38 | Weapon Master (27) | | | | Level 39 | Weapon Master (28) | | Epic Dodge
IC: Light Flail | | Level 40 | Weapon Master (29) | STR +1 (26) | |
| Level 41 | Weapon Master (30) | | | | Level 42 | Weapon Master (31) | STR +1 (27) | LSA: Tumble | | Level 43 | Weapon Master (32) | | | | Level 44 | Weapon Master (33) | STR +1 (28) | | | Level 45 | Weapon Master (34) | | LWF: Light Flail | | Level 46 | Weapon Master (35) | STR +1 (29) | | | Level 47 | Weapon Master (36) | | | | Level 48 | Weapon Master (37) | STR +1 (30) | Legendary Hardened Soul | | Level 49 | Weapon Master (38) | | | | Level 50 | Weapon Master (39) | STR +1 (31) | | | Level 51 | Weapon Master (40) | | Great Strength V (32) | | Level 52 | Weapon Master (41) | STR +1 (33) | | | Level 53 | Weapon Master (42) | | | | Level 54 | Weapon Master (43) | STR +1 (34) | Great Strength VI (35) | | Level 55 | Weapon Master (44) | | | | Level 56 | Weapon Master (45) | STR +1 (36) | | | Level 57 | Weapon Master (46) | | Great Strength VII (37) | | Level 58 | Weapon Master (47) | STR +1 (38) | | | Level 59 | Weapon Master (48) | | | | Level 60 | Weapon Master (49) | STR +1 (39) | Great Strength VIII (40) |
STR: 40
DEX: 26
CON: 16
WIS: 12
INT: 14
CHA: 8 | Concentration: 4
Craft Weapon: 63
Discipline: 63
Hide: 10
Intimidate: 4
Listen: 63
Move Silently: 8
Parry: 63
Tumble: 60 | AB: 99 | AC: 126 | Fortitude: 58
Reflex: 62
Will: 54 |
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Post by hfb on Jun 2, 2013 21:19:53 GMT
Love the concept.
It is unclear to me w/o testing that your 39th lvl feats will fly as neither of them are listed as WM bonus feats.
What do you think of the following:
-Go 4 fighter for the wpn spec. arc (ftr 1 & 4 for pre and epic & paragon feats for L and P). (F2/2, WM10/16, SD8/2)
-Gain 1 AB from only 8 SD lvls pre-epic and lose 2 AB (@lvls 28 & 29) and a WM feat (the IC from lvl 39) from only 26 lvls of WM.
-Get OC/DC from WM bonus feats (BS & IWWA) w/ BF, Ftr 2, GWF, and Tough supplying the feeder feats.
This looks like -2 AB, -1 Will, +1 Fort, +20 base dmg, & OC/DC. I didn't bother to look at reflex; this is all back of the envelope in any case.
This bends the build toward the offensive side a bit more, which is usually a good thing. The big sacrifice seems to be IWWA given the name of the build...
Last thought, the saves are a bit low for full on tanking specialist from my understanding of the numbers, but this is a pretty feat tight build in any case. The saves arti might be called for. Which arti are you considering/using?
What do you think?
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Post by Yojimbo on Jun 2, 2013 22:08:05 GMT
Improved Critical was added as a WM bonus feat a little while back not sure where the documentation on it is. The idea was to fit in Epic Dodge on something other than a standard build you find it on so unless I drop WM levels I can't fit in the additional Fighter levels as Shadowdancer 10 is required for Epic Dodge. I would like OC/DC but since it is just +1x multiplier it is a heavy feat investment for that so feats left to take from WM bonus as IWWA and BS. I'm not saying anything is bad with your suggestions but it does break some of the set goals I had when I came up with the build namely Epic Dodge.
While I think the Will save is low I find the other 2 acceptable however I would say the best artifacts for this would be CON or Saves. I actually don't intend to play this build myself but I figured it was better to post and share it than let the idea sit and waste in my PC files.
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Post by Hercules on Jun 3, 2013 6:08:05 GMT
Hi
If I remember correctly, the epic dodge can be obtain by a certain ring, which drops in Cania.
Sure, its always nice to free a ring slot, but I think this ring was used by a lot of fighter / WM builds a while back, and prolly still are.
Herc
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Post by Yojimbo on Jun 3, 2013 12:33:58 GMT
I think in all my runs I have seen the ring you speak of Herc but only once. I think I would rather run the build as is and then maybe change it if/when got my hands on that ring.
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Post by hfb on Jun 3, 2013 14:15:45 GMT
Agreed on the ring and ring slot is expensive.
Roger on the arti preferences.
I figured the OC/DC which costs the IWWA was against the "rules" given the title of the build and that you had considered that path. I thought I might as well throw it out there for those looking for options within this general build concept. Your analysis of the feat investment is sound.
Unless there is also a "rule" along the lines of maximal WM levels, the w.spec. seems pretty viable and I'm rather more sold on the plus to dmg over the 97 ab vs. 99 ab as things stand. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Again, nice build concept: getting SD right out of the gate to get you the WM later and the combo of Uni and ED and WM AB is sweet.
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Post by Yojimbo on Jun 3, 2013 14:46:27 GMT
Honestly I can't recall if there is a reason for WM 29 to know if dropping it to 26 could be an issue or not only thing I can think off hand is maybe bonus feats but with Ftr that would be invalid point. The best thing I can think to keep high WM levels is for Critical Immunity as I think WM levels has something to do with its duration. I picked up the IWWA because of limited good feats more than anything else but for this build I lack all the OC/DC feats which is total 5 feats to really just get +1 to critical multiplier I can't see 5 feats I could/would drop to get it in the build. You have to find a bonus WM feat to give up and take 6 total fighter levels to get WS+EWS and then you can't take LWS until PLs as you wouldn't get 40 STR. I would say Blinding Speed is easy to sacrifice and I would put 1 of the extra Fighter levels in Pre Epic to counter 1 of the AB loss. You only need 25 Dex for Epic Dodge I feel its worth keeping it at 26 so while dropping a Great Dex is an option I feel it would go better keeping it.
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Post by chirality on Jun 3, 2013 16:16:22 GMT
take 6 total fighter levels to get WS+EWS and then you can't take LWS until PLs as you wouldn't get 40 STR. ? Don't need 6, also what is the LWS/40 Str thing? And ya, wm crit imm is based off ki damage, 1/day/wm level so more wm levels = more crit imm/day |
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Post by Yojimbo on Jun 3, 2013 16:31:58 GMT
Only way to do less than 6 Fighter is to give up a Great Dexterity, Great Strength, or Epic Dodge since WS will need to take the place of a non bonus epic feat and all the non bonus epic feats are not bonus feats for Fighter or Weapon Master.
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Post by Raj on Jun 8, 2013 9:54:29 GMT
Some food for toughts in order to keep same concept on a more powerful build: fighter 8 / rogue 13 / wm 19 on a elf koly; edodge, weap spec, crits, sneaks, rogueskills.
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Post by Raj on Jun 8, 2013 10:04:49 GMT
Hi If I remember correctly, the epic dodge can be obtain by a certain ring, which drops in Cania. Sure, its always nice to free a ring slot, but I think this ring was used by a lot of fighter / WM builds a while back, and prolly still are. Herc Noobs. No excuses :-P It has some use on a great geared staffy or when you fight a lone boss but in end game the # of incoming attacks with different dmg types (+breach +mord) make ring imms more desiderable. A very sturdy tank who can afford such loss of imms could do well anyway. |
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Post by Vichya on Jun 8, 2013 10:28:06 GMT
The ring can be nice in a few circumstances, mainly when you have to tank a single enemy. As soon as you have to tank many mobs at the same time the ring (and also the epic dodge feat) becomes pointless.
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Post by KnightErrant on Jun 8, 2013 15:23:09 GMT
Also Epic Dodge won't save you from a lot of the scripted attacks...they just force saves every round regardless of whether the mob actually hits you or not.
KE.
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Post by Vichya on Jun 8, 2013 15:30:44 GMT
That being said I would still take the epic dodge feat, but you have listed it twice at levels 36 and 39. It's something unique which you can't get easily from gear.
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Post by Raj on Jun 8, 2013 20:10:18 GMT
It's a good feat just not worth 10 SD levels, that's way I suggested the rogue version offering sneaks and skills (stretching it a bit can even do the standard rogue duty)
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