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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 23:48:06 GMT
"You will be treated as if you have one additional Spell Focus rank for casting Mage Armor on yourself as a wizard spell while wearing this item." No additional rank is granted to my staff master (15 wizard). With or without the amy I get 24 ac from mage armor. I'm not sure if this is: a) A bug. or b) The description should say 'capped at paragon Spell Focus' (I already have this feat). or c) The description should say 'not for quasi-classes'. I had heard that this did work as a stack on top of the PSF feat, but perhaps there has been a change? Unfortunately, I do not have a non-quasi, non PSF wizard with the tag to test any further. Edit: Perhaps the bug is the other way... just thinking +4 per focus SF, GSF, ESF, LSF, PSF should be giving me +20 not +24 (and I definitely get +24 without this amy and have always done so) .... perhaps my memory of how this works is worse than normal. Edit Edit: Senior moment I have wiz specialization in abj - hence the +24 without the amy... so the original question / bug stands. Thanks Lemo
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Post by Werehound Silverfang on Aug 14, 2013 0:19:16 GMT
It is definitely capped at PSF. (5 Focus/Specialization)
Mage Armor gives +4, with +4 per SF feat.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2013 0:39:07 GMT
I'm pretty sure it gives +4 per feat (not 4 +4/feat), with specialization counting as a feat - hence my 5 feats + specialization giving +24 (just 5 feats is +20). So the cap is PSF + Specialization = 24 it would appear. I did not know it was capped at this point - I think it would be nice to state this in the description.
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Post by FunkySwerve on Aug 14, 2013 0:52:23 GMT
All such bonuses are capped at 20 by the engine - not something we would doc on an individual item. See, for example: That's from the nwn wiki, here: Click MeThat all being said, I think there actually ARE some bonii that can exceed 20, but we don't make use of them at present. Where we deviate from the vanilla nwn rules, you can find it docced in the ingame journal documentation, as well as the forum docs. Funky
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2013 1:03:53 GMT
According to !list ac, 5 feats + specialization gives +24. So you can see why I thought the amy would make that +28. Unless !list ac is in error and the hard +20 cap is in effect for this too?
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Post by FunkySwerve on Aug 14, 2013 1:35:41 GMT
AFAIK, mage armor grants 20 armor and 3 dodge, which would total 23, not 24. Please post a screenie of the !list ac.
Thanks, Funky
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2013 1:49:46 GMT
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Post by FunkySwerve on Aug 14, 2013 3:14:58 GMT
I'm not seeing any difference between the two !lists. Where's the ammy change?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2013 8:26:14 GMT
Well the amy has no effect, I just showed my normal mage armor and a dodge top up from tensers - all ac caps at 20 except armor which goes to 24 even without the amy. The next screen shot shows 3 !list ac states: Top: Naked, unbuffed Middle: Naked + mage armour Last: Just wearing UW and having cast mage armor while wearing UW So, without UW I can breach the +20 cap, to get +24, but adding UW does not increase it further.
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Post by Yojimbo on Aug 14, 2013 13:07:55 GMT
Yes Mage Armor scales up to +24 and is capped there so the Unbroken Way Amulet only works when you lack either PSF or Specialization IIRC would need to confirm that lacking Spec Abj works or not.
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Post by FunkySwerve on Aug 14, 2013 13:48:31 GMT
Yes Mage Armor scales up to +24 and is capped there so the Unbroken Way Amulet only works when you lack either PSF or Specialization IIRC would need to confirm that lacking Spec Abj works or not. No, Unbroken Way has its own cap at 5 focii/specialization. Looks like we left open the +24 to specialized wizards as an added bonus - you need all 5 foci plus specialization to hit the +24. Sorry for the confusion. Funky
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Post by Test on Aug 14, 2013 18:25:53 GMT
Yes Mage Armor scales up to +24 and is capped there so the Unbroken Way Amulet only works when you lack either PSF or Specialization IIRC would need to confirm that lacking Spec Abj works or not. No, Unbroken Way has its own cap at 5 focii/specialization. Looks like we left open the +24 to specialized wizards as an added bonus - you need all 5 foci plus specialization to hit the +24. Sorry for the confusion. Funky Would it be possible to update the item description?
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Post by FunkySwerve on Aug 14, 2013 20:10:28 GMT
I'm not super-eager to update every item potentially affected by the addition of PSFs, especially when you have tools like !list ac to determine for yourself what does and doesn't stack. Worse, we've moved a lot of older set loot like that out of the mod to our resman repo, where it's more of a pain to work with. I think the OP's original question has a pretty simple answer: 'Nothing stacks past 6 foci/specializations'.
On the other hand...our other foci boosters are pretty specific about their specific boundaries, and UW has such a boundary, so it should probably be docced, yeah.
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Post by FunkySwerve on Aug 14, 2013 20:32:40 GMT
Updated in next patch. You'll have to pass it through the bank to get the updated description.
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Post by Test on Aug 14, 2013 21:31:17 GMT
I'm not super-eager to update every item potentially affected by the addition of PSFs, especially when you have tools like !list ac to determine for yourself what does and doesn't stack. Worse, we've moved a lot of older set loot like that out of the mod to our resman repo, where it's more of a pain to work with. I think the OP's original question has a pretty simple answer: 'Nothing stacks past 6 foci/specializations'. On the other hand...our other foci boosters are pretty specific about their specific boundaries, and UW has such a boundary, so it should probably be docced, yeah. Funky Thank you Funky. It is awesome that you took the time to doc it.
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