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Post by Paradoom on Sept 6, 2013 12:27:33 GMT
Deleted.
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Post by Yojimbo on Sept 6, 2013 13:16:37 GMT
I couldn't help myself
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Post by Paradoom on Sept 6, 2013 14:33:11 GMT
lol nice one
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Post by Torin on Sept 6, 2013 15:29:41 GMT
I like the guide. My comments are only to improve (and only my opinion of course)
a) Quote - Constitution 30+, but usually that is higher. /Quote
constitution is nice, sure, for HP and saves. But STR and DEX are way more important for checks. My tanks usually start with base 12 CON (elf) and thats it. Better increase STR/DEX.
b) The bugbear starts with odd CON. That could be very misleading for noobs. just saying.
c) Discipline. It really should hit the engine maximum of 127. STR build with discipline as class skill: Just max discipline to 63 STR build without discipline as class skill: discipline dumb at level 40 + ESF(Discipline) required Non-STR build with discipline as class skill: max discipline to 63 + ESF(Discipline) required Non-STR build without discipline as class skill: Not possible to hit 127.
d) Able learner from elfes is a good trick for skills.
e) AC is one line of defense. Maybe write something of concealment and epic dodge too.
f) AC: 140+ is plenty, more is not needed.
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Post by Paradoom on Sept 6, 2013 15:36:53 GMT
Thx nice input. I am already thinking about expanding the guides and add some stuff like that. I didnt want to make them too long, but I guess there is no helping it.
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Post by Paradoom on Sept 8, 2013 14:20:36 GMT
Update: I worked in your comments with some slight modifcations. It was realy some good stuff to add. thx again.
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Post by Paradoom on Nov 10, 2013 18:17:55 GMT
Encountering endless fail builds again and again and again till this day, I anticipating there is a need of some basic help for building basics. So I put in alot of my personal building experience and time creating something for beginners to get a basic idea what matters, without narrowing down the building variety. A huge thank you to arek, aubricker, audifreak, buddhamind, bad, lee, laser and torin, and whoever I have forgotten to mention for the help and input they gave me.
Some personal remarks on why I deleted it: Compared to other guids of similar depth and value, it clearly got a third class treating. (e.g. others got imidiatly sticky or added to the wiki even) The reactions to it had very little criticism and the personal responses I got were of no value to improve or change nor help in anyway (with the exception of those who actually helped me developing and correcting it). Perhaps it showed too many people the many real trash builds and mistakes they made in the forums or I don´t know. There also seemed to be some artificialy made up language issues with them. I wrote in a clear and clean language and made straight statements. This, in my experience, is exactly what a beginner needs, so she/he has a save base line to fall back to without having to worry about uncertainties, maybies and coulds, but clear rely on solid facts. This deliberately was misinterpreted to: Paradoom wants his opinion to be the verdict and nothing else. Let me say this: you cannot be more wrong. Just because I do not mention something, does NOT exclude other possibilities nor does it make my statement the only option, but one that I am certain about to work well. By all means feel free to do things differently, and have fun finding something else that works great. For starters this aint feasable though and that´s what most people seem to keep forgetting.
Have a nice day.
Paradoom
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