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Post by chirality on Oct 24, 2014 22:17:14 GMT
yeah take ruin, it's really useful and totally not counterproductive to the entire point of having people learn/enjoy to play cores properly, and sure, there's definitely not any better feat to take than ruin on any caster, just stick to those few schools u think are worth it, and dont bother waste more feats for foci rank, you'll never use those real spells anyway so just stick with the 1buttonfailwin that u can rely on 2x per rest to kill something that u as a druid or ploder shall properly kill anyway with your normal spells @ herc : zzzzzz, youve done more hellruns than me + any other 4 nubs combined and yet u still fail, ur poison advice is so perfectly oppositely wrong, you're instantly re-blacklisted for posting that @ deso : why do you keep talking about this aoe fod thing, it has zero place in any serious pariah or druid discussion ----------------- as for comparing arcane/ploder/druid insta ability, yes it's true that (lacking the anubs plate lolz) druid lacks aoe death, so cod/wail indeed is more efficient than fod, and there is no comparison to hb which is devastatingly brokenly good, and weird/plode which both are extremely powerful and millions more obvious immediate applications across than druid unique instas, but surprise there are actually important offensive druid duties, brings home the story of druid being less recognized as important if ur only doing hellruns with uber PL toons that don't care about stuff being stoned and scratch their heads at the concept of something being drownable but not plodeable, sure druid can virtually singlehandedly dominate hellruns but that's not good enough eh! stone/drown is overwhelmingly powerful not just against mobs which are equally pwned by mage/ploder, but more importantly against other things, druid in hell enjoying the ability to rape every spawn (free thought excercise: look thru wiki and consider a given hellrun what a druid can singlehandedly do to each mob on that run, then consider it doesn't need another toon for SR dropper to get the job done) is not as noticeable with ploder/mage in party beating them to it, but it's sure noticeable lacking drown when ant swarm is raping u, and instantly cleaning up the 50000 splits from dbf spam @ juiblex is really noticeable etc etc
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Oct 24, 2014 23:13:09 GMT
Post by desocupado on Oct 24, 2014 23:13:09 GMT
@ deso : why do you keep talking about this aoe fod thing, it has zero place in any serious pariah or druid discussion Fun. (and it helps a bit with the feeling of second class instant killer). If you have the paladin level and necro school, it's worth toying. But, back to busssiness, elemental swarm is pretty awesome nowadays (last three years).
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Oct 27, 2014 6:03:01 GMT
Post by drunkenboastor on Oct 27, 2014 6:03:01 GMT
I will admit, I have not played a druid since level 61+ has come into effect. But there has been no new added content since level 61+ has come into effect. I do have 2 sets of the FoD plate with druid dc ego added, I had serious fun with them
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Oct 27, 2014 14:27:24 GMT
Post by Yojimbo on Oct 27, 2014 14:27:24 GMT
yeah take ruin, it's really useful and totally not counterproductive to the entire point of having people learn/enjoy to play cores properly, and sure, there's definitely not any better feat to take than ruin on any caster, just stick to those few schools u think are worth it, and dont bother waste more feats for foci rank, you'll never use those real spells anyway so just stick with the 1buttonfailwin that u can rely on 2x per rest to kill something that u as a druid or ploder shall properly kill anyway with your normal spells I think this might be directed at me which makes me think you missed at least some of what I said. When talking about stopping a Foci at ESF I merely stated that of all the schools you could get away with that on Abjuration is the one. With regards to GR that there is often not a better feat has been my findings and experience I tend to only take Great Stat feats and Epic Spell feats in Epic levels and similarly so on wards so when you have a single feat what is better first Spell Focus feat or Greater Ruin I think Greater Ruin would be most answers as many caster items give you at least the first Focus feat for free. I don't have my build in front of me to see what feats I take or to post it for critique.
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Oct 27, 2014 22:33:13 GMT
Post by chirality on Oct 27, 2014 22:33:13 GMT
I will admit, I have not played a druid since level 61+ has come into effect. But there has been no new added content since level 61+ has come into effect. I guess you're saying there's a causal link: you haven't played druid because you haven't needed to (because no new content)? Yet isn't it true that plenty of other players have played druids since PL update, and have been highly-sought-after, desperately needed by endgame runners? I would imagine that you've even done plenty of runs with a druid there, just not one you were playing, and for the other runs without a druid, obviously, yes, it wasn't needed. I guess you're saying, in response to OP asking, it's a waste of time/unnecessary to play a druid. But I don't understand why this is attractive or beneficial rumor to spread, since you not playing a class yet still benefiting from others playing the class isn't the same as no one needs to play it; just that not many really want to/can play it. Well that was my assumption at your post anyway, I don't mean to just troll you. I'm just saying, I've never once been involved in any abyss party planning that involved not caring about or not wanting someone to play druid. And deep hells is a real pita for a non-pariah/pm without one; it's such a hassle to rely on other SR droppers instead of dedicated class doing it, and doing it better as well than other options; sure any vet mage can aoe mord, and obviate need for NB, but this is annoying and requires careful party management/gv spawning (essentially it's a bit slower and more work), and sure bc hat is really awesome and any vet bard can obviate need for NB that way too, but regardless shunt, immute, even frailty with some lame spawns, plus druid nec, these are just plain really nice to have. Nubs and vets alike can enjoy the greater ruin-ishness nature of immute and erad, because 1buttonwin stuff makes the game a lot easier. Immute might never be required or needed but it's definitely never refused if offered. Good thing the druid player like doom posted how great they are, otherwise if I was a new player reading entire thread about "druids are outdated/not played", I'd prolly assume druid was indeed a dead class on this server. In fact webdash shows doom playing one in zio run atm.
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Oct 28, 2014 5:04:06 GMT
Post by drunkenboastor on Oct 28, 2014 5:04:06 GMT
My comment was on the use of FoD plate on a druid, not on the usefullness of druids.
My lack of recent play of druids is just due to my lack of recent play, I have two rather accomplished druids. The only other class I have mutiples of is bards, because they and druids are the most effective classes for an efficient run.
A more straightforward post would have been to say is:
The use of FoD plate on a druid has zero use in the discussion of druids is an incorrect statement. It is an incorrect statement because I have used the FoD plate on druids before and found it to be usefull. The first of of my two ego fod plates were aquired on an asmo run where before the run we were talking about druids using fod plate and how cool would it be to use. If that conversation had not happened the plate may have never dropped.
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Oct 28, 2014 11:26:21 GMT
Post by desocupado on Oct 28, 2014 11:26:21 GMT
Well, the point is, you can use the plate if you have paladin and necro, it won't destroy your build in any way. However it's a bit redudant if there is a arcane with AoE death magic. And you'll lose some AC.
On damage side, let's see. Druid's got the mini acid/fire flensing-like spells. Bombardment, Reverse Gravity, Fissure, Fire Storm, Elemental Swarm and Storm of vengeance are the main damage spells. (add in vortex if you got illusion)
Anyone had any luck with word of balance? (reading the spell it's almost a thunderclap with stun instead)
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Oct 28, 2014 16:51:12 GMT
Post by Lil' Mikey (Msowby2) on Oct 28, 2014 16:51:12 GMT
Druid is by far my absolute favorite class to play. Besides having like 140-150 ac the offensive component to it is very satisfying. I built my druid as a 38/1/1 stargazer originally and got it to x3 (level 74ish) before I reincarnated it into a Rilmani. If your looking for a fast-paced build that is always active in disabling/killing and supporting other builds then I would say go for it. Paradoom was one of the people who taught me how to play druids and to be a successful one you have to study what spells effect which mobs and NEVER stay flatfooted. I personally tend to have 4-5 spells in que to avoid being hit FF'ed. That all satisfying feeling holding the fate of a party in your hands with a flawlessly executed immute. In anycase if you enjoy running around a lot and having some of the most powerful AoE's in the game...then do it! Unless you want to join our 10 tank Ness runs- that would be a suitable option too Apologize for the inactivity, laptop won't let me run HG for some reason :*(
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Oct 28, 2014 18:25:54 GMT
Post by Yojimbo on Oct 28, 2014 18:25:54 GMT
for 10 tank Ness make a Battle Druid aka Stormlord to help out the Baneknight, Warchanter, and Battle Cleric.
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Oct 28, 2014 18:56:27 GMT
Post by Lil' Mikey (Msowby2) on Oct 28, 2014 18:56:27 GMT
for 10 tank Ness make a Battle Druid aka Stormlord to help out the Baneknight, Warchanter, and Battle Cleric. I was just saying last time I went to ness we did a complete run with all Tank classes (no arcane or divine casters) was truely a ball...but not for the faintest of hearts..
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Oct 28, 2014 19:10:06 GMT
Post by chirality on Oct 28, 2014 19:10:06 GMT
My comment was on the use of FoD plate on a druid, not on the usefullness of druids. My lack of recent play of druids is just due to my lack of recent play, I have two rather accomplished druids. The only other class I have mutiples of is bards, because they and druids are the most effective classes for an efficient run. Ok, cuz what you said was that you haven't played a druid since PLs dropped (nearly 2 yrs) but no new content has dropped since then either (seemed to say that was the reason why). I dunno what that had to do with the anubis plate thing at all; seemed more like it was in response to OP question about does anyone still play a druid (you response indicated: no you stopped playing druids because no new content appeared). I guess I jumped the gun on those context clues...anyway moving to the next: The use of FoD plate on a druid has zero use in the discussion of druids is an incorrect statement. It is an incorrect statement because I have used the FoD plate on druids before and found it to be usefull. I didn't say it couldn't be useful, but then again I think it's a really big stretch to imagine that when anubis plate has been brought up in the past druid threads, anyone was assuming that it was useful because it was a druid ego. I guess there is absolutely zero other players atm who have such an item, or if they do I never saw any builds based around it, or talk of it. If it was a CL ego for sure that'd be pretty useful and I'd use it in a hearbeat. I stand by my claim (btw it was "zero place in serious discussion" not just "discussion", which is a bit different), and the fact that you may have found a 1/50000 item useful does not invalidate the claim (I'd wager that before you found the egoes you never seriously wore anubis plate on a druid). Further you don't really present any reason or argument for why druid should wear this item, you say it's fun; and useful; but not how, when, or why (yet we can picture it: druid dragging lolth run...druid landing multikill on osys...druid killing both narz of the spawn w/ 1 spell...random dropping 2 dogai and druid killing them both...)...even deso admits that you lose a lot for that 1 "advantage". It's "fun" and "cool", which is kind of my point about "serious" discussion. Any claim like this can always be countered by some cata-style defense about how optimal building/gearing isn't important and players shouldn't have any concern for producing an optimal toon, they can make any toon of any subrace with any build and any gear and still have fun and win the game no matter how bad the toon is. I don't intended to argue over that; nor did I claim that the item shall never be worn by druids or is a mistake to use; I just said it has zero place in a serious discussion, because it doesn't (having 1 to swap on for drow killfest is bit different than building entire toon around using the item 24/7), and really you pretty much agree with me. The first of of my two ego fod plates were aquired on an asmo run where before the run we were talking about druids using fod plate and how cool would it be to use. If that conversation had not happened the plate may have never dropped. I don't know what it has to do with seriously advising druids to use a sorc/wiz slot heavy armor of mediocre/unimpressive overall stats (given BUR tier), for the sole purpose of one single spell with ambiguous advantage except when lacking other aoe death caster (not common in party play, if ever) or when intending to have "fun" competing with said aoe death caster for kills, or I suppose for potentially "helping share the load" if the mage is too busy to cod (same excuse I've seen presented for ruin, which is pretty funny). I've partied with druid in this armor, and I found it funny+sad, because they placed higher priority on "justifying" the (in my opinion, poor) gearchoice by prioritizing "cast fod" over "cast XYZ". Druid using armor to improve 1 spell means he will likely be taking any excuse he can to use that spell (otherwise he's wasting his armor slot wearing it), despite the fact that death magic is the most widely-available form of instakill amongst casters and the lack of death magic tends to never really be an issue. Frankly, even setting aside the concern of slot-tight caster using a subpar/bad item designed for a different class, I don't understand what's advantageous about aoe fod at all, hence the claim that it has zero place in serious discussion, I've never met any player actually recommend building a druid around the use of anubis plate (only "its fun to try"), and honestly I don't imagine you would recommend it either as a serious option (nor did you recommend it as a serious option). So...I don't know why you say my claim is incorrect. You did not assert that anubis plate druid build is a seriously good idea and is either an optimal choice or provides a large enough benefit over other options to make up for the losses, and should definitely be considered as an optimal gear setup. You said it was useful (we assume for when lacking cod/wail in party, or when wanting to boost logger stats, or when cod/wailer is disabled/too busy, and there is no other way to neutralize the multiple death targets) and fun, but anything could be "useful", aka "a GI is useful" (if you want to KV something immune to the spell) or "druid with rogue splash is useful" (if you want to be a looter druid in in place of more optimal splash). Anecdote of ego anubis plate sounds more like putting a cool/interesting ego to some use, not "this is a serious good thing for druid to do" . But if that's what you're saying, I guess we just disagree. I didn't play this game anywhere near as much as you, but I never once did serious run with druid spamming aoe fod to productive/advantageous result, nor did I ever once wish that the druid in party had aoe fod. That's just me though. If the claim is incorrect then it's incorrect and shall be ignored/laughed at by the more pro reader; obviously anything I post is an opinion since there really is no "fact" when it comes to game advice.
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Oct 28, 2014 21:07:52 GMT
Post by desocupado on Oct 28, 2014 21:07:52 GMT
Further you don't really present any reason or argument for why druid should wear this item, you say it's fun; and useful; but not how, when, or why (yet we can picture it: druid dragging lolth run...druid landing multikill on osys...druid killing both narz of the spawn w/ 1 spell...random dropping 2 dogai and druid killing them both...)...even deso admits that you lose a lot for that 1 "advantage". Not having an arcane (or possibly cleric) in party is when you'd choose to use it. The same logic as for when to wear the AoE Bestow curse helm (when you don't have a druid in party)
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Oct 28, 2014 21:39:22 GMT
Post by chirality on Oct 28, 2014 21:39:22 GMT
right altho i was being sarcastic, if you snip out those parts like i did in this quote, i do appreciate the value of it, when lacking other aoe death caster (not common in party play, if ever) , or I suppose for potentially "helping share the load" if the mage is too busy to cod it's just that it's not a very common scenario. consider the extreme popularity of sorc + shifter, the less but still high popularity of wiz/pm, and the extreme popularity of ploder, and there is a lot of death magic going around. admittedly there's a lot of death targets to be had and more importantly a lot of other stuff for each of these to do; however in many cases, especially in hells, death targets can be neutralized in other ways anyway, ironically often by druid. it's difficult to find a group of 2+ players who between them can't afford or desire to play at least one of these 3: ploder, mage, shifter, any 1 of whom can easily partner with a druid+bard for a 3man anything, or + druid+anything else for still prolly a 3man anything. requiring aoe fod, i admit this could be the case and if so, there you go, put on the anubis plate and blast away, but then again you're mainly killing stuff that you can already aoe insta/stone anyway with other spells...but whatever
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Oct 29, 2014 9:44:30 GMT
Post by Hercules on Oct 29, 2014 9:44:30 GMT
@ herc : zzzzzz, youve done more hellruns than me + any other 4 nubs combined and yet u still fail, ur poison advice is so perfectly oppositely wrong, you're instantly re-blacklisted for posting that Edit. got'em confused. it's the other way around as pointed out later. Herc
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Oct 29, 2014 15:35:46 GMT
Post by tank on Oct 29, 2014 15:35:46 GMT
@ herc : zzzzzz, youve done more hellruns than me + any other 4 nubs combined and yet u still fail, ur poison advice is so perfectly oppositely wrong, you're instantly re-blacklisted for posting that Really ? how bout you read what I wrote. I said poison was good in abyss, not in hells. From that point of view I really don't think earned hells experience should count. If anything should count, to make a solid point in how wrong I am, it should rightfully be abyss experience, don't you think? (Are you even tagged to abyss Bale ? lol) Feel free to correct me when I am wrong, but have the courtesy of do it correct. Now i'll leave you to study the bestiary from abyss, and take another swing at my remark. Herc I think you are getting the two confused, poison is exceptionally good in hells, whereas not even remotely useful in abyss.
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