Theurge and the CL ego

[Mister Pin]

While on one of my "romps" thru the game, i cam across a Cleric CL ego on a Plate of Anubis (Bur wiz hvy armor). I realized this may not be the best for a regular cleric who most of the time uses a splash of monk for the ac boost. It could be done with a pure cleric of course, but i have enuff clerics.

I showed it to a buddy of mine, and he suggested that it would be good for a Theurge. After reading a bit on this class, i came across this; " Note: The effects of CL Ego's on a Theurge is currently untested and unconfirmed so it is purely theorized. "

I am sure it would make a difference, but i am wondering if anyone has actually checked it out to see just how much? I am only asking as i have never bothered to make a theurge as it hadn't really interested me, but being this piece of gear is BUR, and pretty well randomized as well, AND fits both the classes, well, why not?


Any input is most welcome, and appreciated!

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[chirality]

I guess you're asking if the CL boost works? Yes, you'd be casting cleric spells at +1 CL (I assume from context clues that it's a cleric CL anyway).

Plate theurge is crippled, because quasi doesn't receive Gate soak, so cleric CC armor/shield wearer is quite sad/unplayable, whereas arcane theurge can still use the uber wiz buffs. You wear fist wrap like any other mage and it works out w/ quasi +1SP so you don't end up behind. For cleric CC robe/torch options are far superior anyway.

I think that item's good for saving till "ego stripper" item drops.

[Mister Pin]

Thanks for that answer! I do appreciate you taking the time to do it. And i guess it goes in the "save" chest, lol

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[chirality]

Well, to be clear the ego itself is 100% legit for a theurge, it's just theurge wearing armor+shield is not legit.

Use for: ?

That ego could be used for a weirdo build ploder (didn't suggest cuz you mentioned having too many clerics ) , namely a splash cleric with OUT monk splash, like pal and/or ranger. The base item is super bad imo but it's at least "wearable" for some such build (alternatives for plate ploder usually being carapace with far superior defensive stats than any other heavy, or the hells set plate). If you put a poison imm aug on that anubis it'd prolly fit fine in typical gear setup, just missing the ele % and other crap from carapace/slots from setplate).

The advantage of cleric CL is mainly the SP boost if applicable, or hit CL 59 if you have dual splash.

[simpetar]

Aug 8, 2015 19:01:09 GMT chirality said:

The advantage of cleric CL is mainly the SP boost if applicable, or hit CL 59 if you have dual splash.

Actually, the advantage of cleric CC if you get to 60, is 1 more point on BT, 2 more rounds on GR and other things that come with "pure". The loss of defense can me made up for, as it is easy to get full power Magic Vestments - and with Gird it can give any shield +20 AC enhancemet (i.e. tower shield having more AC than asmo or vestige). What hurts is the feats you need to get Automatic Still Spell 3, if you ever want to cast wiz spells.

[desocupado]

Cleric theurge don't get as much from a plate (or being theurge) .
The ego just applies to cleric spells.

You could use the ego on a regular cleric with just one splash, if it has decent randomization.

Reggardless of not using wisdom ac, using a monk splash can still benefit due the skills tumble and discipline to help on ac and slag. Soak cleric is really strong if you maximize a.c. on armor and shield.

[chirality]

Aug 9, 2015 11:49:45 GMT simpetar said:

Aug 8, 2015 19:01:09 GMT chirality said:

The advantage of cleric CL is mainly the SP boost if applicable, or hit CL 59 if you have dual splash.

Actually, the advantage of cleric CC if you get to 60, is 1 more point on BT, 2 more rounds on GR and other things that come with "pure". The loss of defense can me made up for, as it is easy to get full power Magic Vestments - and with Gird it can give any shield +20 AC enhancemet (i.e. tower shield having more AC than asmo or vestige). What hurts is the feats you need to get Automatic Still Spell 3, if you ever want to cast wiz spells.

But it's fail anyway I "didn't clearly say but should be obvious" in above post: cleric in plate really should have Gate, otherwise it's a joke; and wizard should have EV, otherwise it's a joke. Even if you got all 3 autostill feats for free, it'd still be terrible, because you'd be a wizard without EV or premo, wearing plate+shield, making you basically a cleric in plate+shield, without Gate. Finally, the anubis plate is so terrible that you'd actually be far, far worse than even a plate cleric with OUT gate, cuz as indicated above, cleric shall wear armor that actually doesn't suck.

As for the ego itself, I'll stand by my statement: The primary use is for +1 SP, which is by far the most important benefit: the CL is just what makes it better than Raja's. But if you had choice of wearable raja vs. totalcrap CL, it's pretty damn nobrainer choice. The benefit of attaining CL 59 (post-ego) is second most important potential benefit for splash theurge (again, imo, but then again people play treants too), then BT surely 3rd, but CL 59 for a CL58 toon is lot more important than CL60 on a CL59 toon, is what I was getting at. The other point was that other than BT and GR there really is nothing (see, you couldn't think of anything either )

It's basically fluff that only someone with their choice of suitable wearable cleric CL should care about and plan on using to build a fully-functional ploder theurge. As it stands, divine theurge doesn't fully replace cleric anywhere, let alone endgame, and therefore shouldn't worry about having max BT since a dedicated cleric should be present if that +1 BT matters so much, and same for +2 rounds on GR. Anyway, back to SP, having +1 SP on the BT is a lot more important than 1 more debuff point is.

Vestments and Gird do not in any way make up for lack of Gate. Those 2 spells actually are required for plate ploder to even hit survivable AC in the 1st place...

[Mister Pin]

I was away from here for a day, and was not expecting any more comments, but thanks to Simpetar and Desocupado for your inputs, I appreciate the efforts you've made !


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