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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 14:44:18 GMT
lol tank was trolling, its kinda his thing
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 15:12:41 GMT
Trolling or not, what Test had to say is valid. Very much so.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 15:25:28 GMT
Trolling or not, what Test had to say is valid. Very much so. well maybe the best way to show that you've changed and to start a new relationship is to respect brickers wishes and avoid the DT runs for now, otherwise its just empty words (not that ive any stake in this, just my 2 cents)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 15:39:49 GMT
Trolling or not, what Test had to say is valid. Very much so. I would love to apply "assume good faith" here, but when you show up and automatically assume you''ll be welcome on a run with MANY people that you''ve deeply hurt in the past that strikes me as kind of insensitive. I would suggest adopting a little more humility here instead of pointing fingers at DTs which is what your quoted post is insinuating. If you truly want to set things right, please try to start from a less arrogant perspective, but know that from my perspective your behavior has been absolutely rotten and it is going to take time and actual humility, not pretty words, to change my mind. Disclaimer: I am not a DT and this was not an attempt to speak on behalf of them; this represents my opinion alone.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 16:38:35 GMT
In the interest of taking your point, I'd like to ask for why you feel like I was such a poor person to be around. For the record, I did message Bricker and DB last night about what I could do / be done to demonstrate to them that I have changed and would like an opportunity to demonstrate that. My time constraints are also different, and with people not around much during my mostly available hours, even that in and of itself would make it hard to show any difference to anyone if no one was around to witness it.
The issues from the past I am aware of, excluding the book issue, is that some felt I was entitled and kind arrogant because of the speed with which I progressed. A lot of that attributed to who I became friends with and then just having the ability to get stuff done as I learned and progressed, and then others coming along because of that. I had some spats with Ahala and the other guilds who weren't as content driven because of doing triple runs in a row, and things like that, and not splitting loot until after all was complete.
But, beyond that, I am not sure as to why you feel that way, or what your problems are. I never felt like you and I had any beef or problems and felt like the interaction we had with each other, and in groups, was usually always positive. And while a fault may have been I was too results oriented, I always took the time to help out people when asked.
Would you be willing to elaborate on the issues you had?
I can definitely see why my post could be interpreted as arrogant. I do apologize. The perspective with which I approached the situation is, I screwed up. As a result of this error, I stopped playing the game for an extended period of time. I recognized the gravity of said error. I would like to make things right, and enjoy the game I spent a lot of time on, doing a lot of fun things. I need help to be able to accomplish that. I'd like it. So, anyone with issues, if you're interested and willing to address them. Please do so. And let's work towards a possible and hopeful resolution. I know I screwed up. And in a big way. And I would like to make this right. I cannot accomplish that without the help of those who felt wronged or put off by me, for whatever reason voicing those issues.
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Post by drunkenboastor on Aug 3, 2017 19:07:10 GMT
If I had a wish for Higher Ground, it would be to have more players organizing runs and openly including others into their runs. I do not at all care for the not shouted, !tell invite only runs that many partake in. Players who do shady stuff is one of the reasons that runs are not shouted, nobody wants disruptive elements within their groups, and nobody likes dealing with the you are not welcome drama.
Preparedx, because of your past actions there will be less players who want to join these Dark Templar guild runs if you participate in them. That is not acceptable. You are not being blacklisted, but there is no proof through actions that you are someone that others would want to play with.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 19:54:50 GMT
Fair points DB. But, I cannot demonstrate to anyone that anyone is different without the opportunity to show that it in fact is. I can't help the past, I can only be different moving forward. I am asking for the chance to demonstrate that it is. So, how about you reach out to the participants of the runs. See what issues they had / have with me.
Then we can discuss those things, and as long as I follow (x), I have a shot to demonstrate to you and whomever else. If you'd like me to pass on loot or play specific classes, whatever you need, happy to do that. If that means I can't tag and just help, or whatever. I will do that.
I recognize my mistakes, and the gravity of them. A lot can change in three years. It's been over three years since this incident. I am not asking anyone to blanket forgive and forget. I will show you. All I would like is the chance. If you present me with a chance and I blow that, that is on me and I will own that. And I won't bother anyone about it again if that were to happen.
What I need are: The issues people had so that I can fix those things to show you a change has happened.
I also agree with you that the cloak and dagger inviting situations isn't fun or helpful. I want to be apart of this solution and feel like, if presented with a chance, can show you I can actively do this.
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Post by AuBricker on Aug 3, 2017 21:49:44 GMT
Prepared, allow me to explain as best I am able.
1. I agree you deserve a second chance.
2. I welcome your return to HG in the hopes you've learned from prior misconduct and become a better person. I hope you become a part of making this server ever more successful. You were -- and no doubt remain -- an excellent player. HG needs more players of your caliber.
3. That said, your prior actions were very hurtful. I find this entire episode painful as if a scar has been ripped from my skin, freshly opening an unhealed wound. I considered you a friend. I supported your entry into the DTs. I saw that trust betrayed. Before I consider you ready to join DT runs, I expect you to re-earn my trust in the general community.
4. To earn again a small measure of the good will you once possessed, be the HG presence you could have been. You excelled at organizing Hell and Abyss runs. Return to what you do best. There is a dearth of such runs today, and you can be a boon to both old and new players by doing so. It might take time, but this would go far to your rehabilitation.
5. Give the scheduled DT runs a little space. I sincerely hope your return to HG is successful, but you burned some bridges with your former guild. It will require some time for you to rebuild them. Keep in mind, the DTs did not wrong you. No, you injured the DTs by behaving unethically.
And again, I hope your return to HG is successful. I hope you become the asset to this server I know you can be. Just do some bridge-building for a while.
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Post by drunkenboastor on Aug 11, 2017 19:29:44 GMT
Updated original post to reflect change to more Hell and Abyss runs. Will be alternating between Abyss and Hell cycles on the Tuesday and Thursday nights. Friday will remain exclusively for Limbo.
Will update weekly what specific runs are planned.
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Post by thomascovenant on Aug 13, 2017 3:26:46 GMT
AuBriker have a nice wisdom in what he just said up here.
And over this, when someone betray the trust of peoples the first thing he have to have as attitude and words is Humility, to accept even angry words from thoses who was hurt because there it's them émotions and pain who speaking.
This need time to people to forget or pass over bad things others did, but this also need a change in attitude, the way to speak to others, to accept to be on the side for the time being.
When we meet a new person there nothing we have to forget about him/her then it's more easy to open our trust, but when the person betray the trust of others this is harder to regain it from them, yes this can be painfull and hard too but if the person have realy change there is a seed who can grow and with time bring people to feel they can regain trust in this person. Sure this is a hard and long way sometime but this worth to take this way.
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Post by Farang162 on Sept 1, 2017 18:08:26 GMT
Hmm 9pm EST = 5am Muscat so a Thursday night run is Friday morning for me. EARLY Friday morning lol. I'm not sure I can manage to get up that early but I am curious about the tags on my highest toon which is a x4 Zen needing Malb... !list acc says I have defeated Orwantz, Zhelamis, Glyphimhor, Fulgoz, Teratomorph and Qolsorron... Skull says i'm attuned to second portal in Azz, Shed and Than... Does that mean I can do pt.3 runs on those three or pt.2? Forgive my ignorance but its been an a long time and my memory is not serving me well. Also what are the other Abyss levels and is a decent(ish) Zen even appropriate any more? I'm sure I could dig up the information on the wiki or somesuch but just thought i'd ask... Regards, Trubs
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Post by drunkenboastor on Sept 1, 2017 19:27:50 GMT
If you are attuned to the 2nd portal of an abyss, you can do the 3rd part and get a wand piece.
For a Prince of Demons fight, need 4 wand pieces from the other Demon Lords. For bringing the wand to Pelor, need all 5 wand pieces. You can use your skull to see how many wand pieces you have.
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Post by Farang162 on Sept 2, 2017 8:04:00 GMT
Thanks DB!
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Post by StrykerOfChaos on Sept 28, 2017 12:26:48 GMT
If you guys are still active and need people. I'm returning and going to be getting up to speed on the game again.
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Post by sabregirl on Sept 28, 2017 12:52:36 GMT
If you guys are still active and need people. I'm returning and going to be getting up to speed on the game again. They are! I have been joining on Thursday nights (as that is the easiest night for me ) Though I'd love to join on the others, school time is busy time. -S
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