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Post by manuka on Nov 7, 2017 9:55:37 GMT
So xr motes are refundable as they are uselss, can we refund the other useless xr items. Some amazingly trash cloaks, shields and boots that should never be worn. Here is a list of other items that should be refundable for the same reason motes are refundable CLOAKS🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈 Unfurling of Wings Shelter from the Horrific Mottled Horror A Twilight Pall A Blanket of Bones BOOTS🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈 Up from the Depths Personifies the Void Energy is Anethema Cast into Space A Stinking Trail TOWER SHILEDS🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈 Scream So Loud That Which Forebodes Poisonous Whispers Freezing Darkness Never Burned A Cold Fever
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Post by Raj on Nov 7, 2017 10:04:13 GMT
I have a bunch of books waiting for refund as well!
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Post by Raj on Nov 7, 2017 10:13:09 GMT
That being said I agree the lame tower shields that are barely the same of BUR ones (already a weak item slot) could use some added property to make them stand out better in the XR tier, that those elemental% boots are a joke (and way too similar to BUR 50% cold/sonic ones with nothing special added either), and that 0% phys immunity on cloaks means they'll never be used by anybody: I rate 1% physical worth about 1% exotic or 5% elemental, given existing items and randomization chances, and losing 45% phys compared to other XRs or good randomized BURs means the item is trash, or needs A LOT to make up for it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 23:27:15 GMT
The amount of garbage XRs is indeed pretty sad, and was discussed a lot when Limbo first came out. I think at this stage it's clear that there isn't going to be a major overhaul of XRs (with regards to changing their stats) anytime soon.
I suggested it over a year ago, and I still think that the smoothest interim solution is to let Ixion do 2-for-1 swaps of XRs; put 2 XRs that you don't want in a bag, Ixion takes them away and replaces them with 1 random XR.
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Post by Test on Nov 7, 2017 23:32:38 GMT
The amount of garbage XRs is indeed pretty sad, and was discussed a lot when Limbo first came out. I think at this stage it's clear that there isn't going to be a major overhaul of XRs (with regards to changing their stats) anytime soon. I suggested it over a year ago, and I still think that the smoothest interim solution is to let Ixion do 2-for-1 swaps of XRs; put 2 XRs that you don't want in a bag, Ixion takes them away and replaces them with 1 random XR. Alternatively a committee who understand balancing could be formed to review Limbo and beyond loot. Someone who knows toolset could then be appointed to make those agreed and publicly posted/ debated changes.
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Post by manuka on Nov 7, 2017 23:53:51 GMT
Guys no point in trying to get the item fixed or buffed not gna happen as the devs dont have the time? There are countless class buffs, item fixes and bug fixes that have allready been suggested.Same with polis idea of a 2 for 1 swap, i like the idea but again it requires the devs time instead of the players time. Hence why i simply suggested the allready used solution of refunds. Now we have more active DM's they would be able to do this. I made this post after my guildies are losing motivation to do limbo after hours of cano collecting to get xr items that are trash. ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ What would be usefull is we agree on a list of refundable xr items ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥
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Post by Test on Nov 8, 2017 3:01:52 GMT
Guys no point in trying to get the item fixed or buffed not gna happen as the devs dont have the time? There are countless class buffs, item fixes and bug fixes that have allready been suggested.Same with polis idea of a 2 for 1 swap, i like the idea but again it requires the devs time instead of the players time. Hence why i simply suggested the allready used solution of refunds. Now we have more active DM's they would be able to do this. I made this post after my guildies are losing motivation to do limbo after hours of cano collecting to get xr items that are trash. ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ What would be usefull is we agree on a list of refundable xr items ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ I take your point on board 100% Manuka, yet that was not exactly the drive behind my suggestion. I was more hinting towards the possible positive applications of community-driven development for the module if, and only if, there actually is an ongoing issue with a lack of available time from devs to develop the mod. I know that many of us (including current DMs and a range of existing players) would be more than capable of addressing issues such as the one mentioned in this thread within the mod file if the hard work of making the decisions regarding any changes was already openly debated and a consensus reached on a public forum such as this site. That is not to suggest anyone taking over in any way, it is not to belittle the amazing efforts and achievements of Acaos and Funky, it is just perhaps a tool that they could employ (if they wanted to) to address some of these ingame irritations that could make players more content while removing bugbears from their time in dealing with more important and forward-moving development work.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 7:34:19 GMT
Alternatively a committee who understand balancing could be formed to review Limbo and beyond loot. Someone who knows toolset could then be appointed to make those agreed and publicly posted/ debated changes. This was sort of what we were hoping for a long time ago (though perhaps less formally), but for various reasons it never seemed to take off. Honestly, I think it would be pretty safe to just hand the reins over item balance to Raj (but that's probably equally likely as him becoming a DM). Guys no point in trying to get the item fixed or buffed not gna happen as the devs dont have the time? There are countless class buffs, item fixes and bug fixes that have allready been suggested.Same with polis idea of a 2 for 1 swap, i like the idea but again it requires the devs time instead of the players time. Hence why i simply suggested the allready used solution of refunds. Now we have more active DM's they would be able to do this. This is a fair point. The advantage of a coded swap through Ixion would be that it maintains objectivity, instead of relying on our subjective impression of how good an item is. But on further consideration, I think your original idea of simply adding Cloaks/Boots/Tower Shields to the list of refundable types is probably reasonable. I'd also consider adding Rings to the list (or at least the Negative-type ones) simply because the chance of rolling higher than an upped BUR is pretty low, though they aren't quite as garbage as the Cloaks/Boots/Tower Shields. I can empathise with this, I've barely touched the game since last year for the same reason.
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Post by woqued on Nov 8, 2017 10:22:24 GMT
Yep yep, +1 to pretty much all of the posts in the thread. Especially on the tower shields and boots: the likelihood of getting a better bur shield/boots (with primary function on ele imms/reductions) than the xrs you get (with, again, no other gimmick than ele imms/reds) is much higher as those slots rely on added properties in the first place and randomize high due high base values to begin with - and ding dong i wonder if the 20 burs (or much more, honestly) you roll or the 1 xr you roll will prove superior, and since you run Limbo almost exclusively for the hard earned canopics only to get something you have 10 burs that outrank it, feelsbadman.
If XRs dropped like candy as BURs do, it would be more justified to have trash drops in the mix. Thing is XRs are just that, Extremely Rare, even for those who farm Limbo a LOT in small groups. For those of us who run it less (and still have probably over 100 hours to it by now, insane) it's not just Extremely Rare, it's Extremely Demoralizing.
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Post by rainbowdash on Nov 8, 2017 15:24:17 GMT
Yap pretty much can concur with all of the above. There is a lot of underwhelming stuff in the XR loottables for the amount of trouble you have to go through to even get a shot at a XR item.
Any way to salvage bad rolls would be okay. I like Polis idea of trading in Xrs 2 for 1 so the stuff atleast has some value.
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Post by louisvilleslugger on Nov 8, 2017 16:52:40 GMT
I like the idea of there being a refund. 1/2 canopics back exchange is a good idea. Gamble 50 canopic and lose? Sell it back to Ixion for 25 canopics.
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Post by rainbowdash on Nov 10, 2017 12:43:36 GMT
Would be real cool to get some feedback from the decisionmakers, even if it is so much as "we have seen the topic and acknoledge that some ppl are unhappy with the XRs".
(Even better of course would be some kind of hotfix)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 11:05:06 GMT
Would we be able to get an official ruling on this? Either the original suggestion of refunding the known 'trash slots', or whether DMs could be allowed to facilitate the 2-for-1 trade-ins instead? I've been back for a week and am already remembering why I burned out, here's what my last 50 Canopics went to: (Though comparatively, not even that bad next to some of the cloaks...)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 12:07:09 GMT
Would also love a ruling, have given up on limbo as it's incredibly demoralizing to end up with literally useless junk after grinding a boring repetative run so many times. Ending up with gear worse than URs that will never see any use whatsoever is a real kick in the teeth.
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Post by manuka on Nov 18, 2017 9:18:12 GMT
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