Old Toons and Quasi classes

[moe]

So I did my "inventory" today and found 14 toons in the 40's, 4 in the 50's, and one lone lvl 60.

A couple of them are "not what they seem" - lol. The Pariah was pretty easy to figure out. But My toon "Inevitably Moe" puzzles me. He is a Bard 37/ Rogue 3 Kolyrut based - but he is ALL BLACK. And recall the "Inevitable" somehow related to the toon. I recall he is "different" - I just don't recall how. lol What is all Black with Red eyes?

So I am currently trying to match toons to build sheets (so I know what to do with them if I play them - lol)

Gotta figure out what builds to play / have available. A lot of my newer "of the Moe" toons are sitting at lvl 40 waiting to complete the tags. I need to check what runs my LL toons have and still need too.

[moe]

Okay, so a Kolyrut IS an "Inevitable" - "often assuming humanoid form. Their natural forms resemble humanoids made of black metal and dressed in robes."

I have a lot of Kolyrut builds - don't recall any of them being all black except this one

[desocupado]

Focus on those 50+.
Just give us the class breakdown and we can orient you to relevant builds.

[moe]

Okay, I think I have my 5 "over 50" toons semi-figured out.
60 Moelar DeTank - Artic Tin Can (my first toon here)
58 Moecephus Von Chanter Dwarf-Dero - DD22/Bard 18 (no clue - lol)
53 Moedex DeBard - Human - Bard 38/Pal 1/Monk 1 - looks like Funky's Basic Battle Bard
52 Moe Draoiocht - Furchin - Druid 38/ Monk 1/ Bard 1 - either Nature's Forceful Spirit or Higher Anarchy
51 Bardeesh of the Moe - Chaos Gnome - Pure Bard - possibly The Filidhean

And I have most of their tags documented - except - there are more accomplishments listed than tags.

I have NO idea where these belong:
Mydiachlarus, Zorbgot, Tiamat, Dispater, Quimath, Belial, Nameless Pit Fiend, Baalzebul, Orwantz, and "chikety-tickety" Pazuzu (I aint even gonna try to spell that right - lol)

And any way to tell what "Ancient Tome" they read?

[Deleted]

Check to see if you can level Moelar DeTank. Out of the toons you listed, it looks like that one has been tagged up to Cania? Although, it may be missing Malb tag. You have a part 1 abyss tag. Nice job! Although, maybe that's where it started to seem overwhelming. Abyss takes some time to learn, do not get discouraged. Every graphic effect means something.

Mydiachlarus is Pit of Molition, Zorgbot is Beholders, Tia, Dis, Min, Phleg, Stygia, (do you not have Ancient Baatorian, thats Malb) Malad are all hell tags. Orwantz is Azz part 1 and Pazuzu is random tag in Plane of Portals.
You have a good start!
Would love to help you if I am around and I dont mind going at a slow pace for those that want to learn.

Also, you can !list levels and it will tell you what tomes have been read (though that takes some detective work by looking at build and comparing which spell foci was taken)

RayCoolJ

[simpetar]

Mydiachlarus is final boss of Pit of Moliation, Zorgbot is from beholders. The next 6 are hell bosses from tia, dis, min, phleg, styg and malad - for some reason Ancient Baatorian seems to be missing (from malb), but other than that, whichever character has these tags is well past half way to becoming demigod. Pazuzu is a rare boss from Pazunia, the gateway to all abyss runs and Orwantz is boss of Azzagrat 1.

My recommendation would be to focus on whichever character is the deepest in hells to becoming purple (demi) and from there you will see where the road leads. From the builds it looks like you are fond of bards which is always great:) Stick to one you like, you will find yourself welcome in many groups, no matter what kind of bard it is, as long as you can do the basic duties. Balance of bards changed a little bit, if you are looking for an updated and proven build, check this one.

You can tell the tome by "!list levels" - when you see an Epic Spell Focus that isn't connected to any level, you will know it's the one. Or simply guess

[moe]

I'll update my lists. I listed all the accomplishments, so if Malb is missing - it's missing.

Oddly enough, my oldest/highest toon did NOT do the preLL tags. (he's got 3 or 4 total) In fact, checking them all (and a few 41+ toons) NONE of them seem to have completed the preLL accomplishments. so all my "high level toons" are gimped.

Looks like I could do the Chaos Gnome version of the Bard build you linked to. I know I gotta still do some research, but where does reincarnation fit in? Should I reinc my toons to match existing known builds, and/or use a proxy to get those preLL tags? Or should I get the best build match possible and go from there?

btw - I was talked into making that Druid. lol I'm not a natural caster.

I like tanking (hitting stuff) I like Bards as a side Class for buffing. Was also talked into making a Pure Casting Bard.

Among my newer (lvl 40) toons I have like 3 Rangers, 2 AAs, 3 assassins (one of them lvl 49), a pure Rogue, an RDD(29 lvls), and a Moogle. I was trying to branch out to other Classes. Starlandra was my Mentor/Muse for the Rangers and probably the AA's (as one of them has 5 HS levels - lol)
I also started a Wiz, a Sorc

Oh yeah, some of my lvl 40 toons are subrace updated versions of other toons. Seems all of my lvl 40 toons are waiting on completing tags - so I'm guessing that's when i started doing the prell tags.

Also worth pointing out, I only have one book in my Subs chest (one I don't use - lol) SO - no "extra" subrace books

[simpetar]

The progress in hells is linear - you can jump in any run you want at any time, but in order to progress to become demigod, you need to defeat them one after another. In other words: look to do malb and then catch the train to malad (again), cania and finally nessus.

All your high level toons are not "gimped" Lowbie tags are nice to have, but hardly essential, there are many long time veteran players who haven't completed single one of them and they do just fine. Catching up with proxy is an option when you are bored, but especially for toons in early 40s or so, the time investment is about the same as making a new one altogether. You can reincarnate at any time, just keep in mind that if you reinc in the middle of hell or abyss cycle, all progression will be lost.

Druids are perhaps even more sought after than bards, because they are not easy to play. You can pick up what spells work on what in hells pretty fast, but staying alive is usually the issue. You need to be intimately familiar with defensive casting and not getting flatfooted in order to survive. If you chose to play a druid, you have a steep learning curve ahead, but the skill will pay off in the end

I would advise against "pure caster bard"; 1 splashed paladin level will greatly boost your survivability Bard is the one who HAS to stay alive - when bard dies, the group will often suffer the loss of epics and other bard goodies. Many end game bards these days will go in full group support mode, completely giving up their offensive arsenal, which is precisely what the build I linked does.

And as for the one subby book you have and don't like, trade it away for something you do like

[desocupado]

Aug 9, 2019 17:24:14 GMT moe said:

btw - I was talked into making that Druid. lol I'm not a natural caster.

I like tanking (hitting stuff) I like Bards as a side Class for buffing. Was also talked into making a Pure Casting Bard.

Sounds like warchanter would be your thing.
I think Raj had a good build for it on the forums. Ask there for a revision using available subraces.

Casting bard is trash.

If you are not enjoying the druid (spell schools might be a factor) try a herald of storms. For instance I did enjoy my druid a lot more with conjuration.

[simpetar]

Casting bard isn't trash. Caster bards (i.e. with high DC and actively using offensive spells) can perform basic bard duties as other bards. However they are lot more demanding on subrace, gear and - most importantly - player skill. Curse, song, epics, PP, persuade and all these things need to be your second nature, before you start throwing around mind fog, dirge, amplify, rainbows etc. It is another style of barding, or rather another level, but far from "trash" when performed well.

Herald cannot substitute a druid. They don't have the necessary/signature toolkit: NB, drown, crumble, and later on storm tower, defoliate, pesticide, not to mention epics... As for schools, heralds have very narrow choice, while druids do have some wiggle room. I'm quite sure whoever suggested you to play a druid knew damn well, why they suggested a druid and not herald

[moe]

Now now - let's not fight. I remember they loved my Druid back in the day - like in Rona. I had to separate the loot breaker spells from the others (and people usually would tell me what spells they wanted me to use or not use - lol)

SO - plan on Leaving Moelar alone (he's on a known build) looks like I just need to dust him off and put him out there.

I do like WarChanters, but mine does not match any posted builds. (B22/DD18) Sabregirl's Dashing Diva build (B24/DD16) is "recommended", and he is already a Derro. So I'm thinking I need/want to reinc him to match that build - so I at least have a clue as why he is the way he is - lol.


Somewhere in there will be my Lvl49 Assassin - Whisper Gnome Cookie Cruncher Build
And I remember liking my Lvl 47 AA - Planewalker AA29/Monk1/Wiz1
And I loved my Moogle (only he's still at lvl 40)

A lot could happen - who knows?


btw: It seems Lvl 43 "Inevitably Moe" a Kolyarut Bard37/Rogue3 was my first toon to complete the PreLL tags AND move on the LL. Still no idea why he is all metallic black.

[desocupado]

Since simpetar did complain/chastise in private with me let me clarify:

To get a (multiple) demigodhood character you should stick to the 4 core classes - arcane, bard, cleric or druid preferably with cookie cutter builds/schools.
Even more so because it's somewhat hard to get an appropriate party most of time due server population.

Bards and druids are heavily in demand because most caster style players prefer arcane (I think cleric is the second most popular caster).
Also clerics can't actually function that well without a druid dropping SR before his prayer/battletide hits. Bards have a similar effect on tanks due UUU and songs.
So given that bards can drop saves without SR, they are always useful in a low people party.

Neither Herald or Chanter are able to fit all expect roles of a Arcane or Bard (notice that herald is arcane not druid).
In fact Herald cannot drop SR and have way less damage than a Karsus caster (Paragon Evocation arcane spell). So they are relegated to be mostly a fun gimmick class that can reincarnate into a druid or sorcerer later.

If you want to keep the nature boy - keep in mind casters really begin to shine 58+ due how Spell resistance works and saves are distributed.

[moe]

So, a gracious benefactor has blessed me with 2 Shard Books. 1. So I can have the race - and 2. So I can upgrade one of my Bards. Raj's Updated Bard Build was recommended as well. Raj's Updated Bard Build

My problem comes in the Mid 30s. It calls for me to take Epic Spell Focus, but it doesn't appear when [Test] leveling. When I looked it up to see if I was missing anything, it said it does NOT stack with Spell Focus or Greater Spell Focus (both of which are already taken) It also says I need to be able to cast 9th level spells. I was just trying to figure out what stuff to take at what level (as the build doesn't specify levels). I was following the Build, except for assigning skill points (except perform for the Skill Focus) Am I missing something? Looking to reinc/upgrade my Pure Bard into a Shard.

[simpetar]

When you want to take Epic Spell Focus on bard, first pick Extra Spell Known (lvl 6) and then use "!charedit" (without quotes) and switch it to ESF. You need Greater Spell Focus in that school first, ability to cast lvl 9 spells doesn't apply for bards (they don't have any). Not sure though, if !charedit works in test chambers though. Every rank of spell focus includes lower ranks - Epic Skill Focus will include benefits of SF and GSF, they do stack in this sense, no need to worry about that.

[chirality]

right just to be clear, the overlapping/stacking thing is just a semantic/technical point. you can think of them as +2 per rank and they all stack, but inside the game itself, each feat is overwritten when the next rank is taken. so looking at ESF feat on your character sheet shows +6 DC from Epic Spell Focus; the previous GSF no longer exists, just like SF was replaced by GSF.