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Post by simpetar on Nov 16, 2021 6:39:21 GMT
The scrolls are as you say, underwhelming. I love the muliation idea making them Reinc proof. Quite honestly if the scrolls persisted through reinc I’d grind them for every toon. The fact they don’t is there entire reason they’re trash. Moliation making them reinc proof is the key for value on them. Otherwise it’s a total waste. Then stop reincarnating at every chance you have. Once again, the point or reincarnation as intended is to provide a fix to characters struck by class edits, updates, mistakes in leveling and that kind of thing. If you reinc all day long, that's on you, not bad loot design. Besides, it doesn't take more than 30 minutes for level appropriate character to farm one, and that is solo play, I'm sure it will be faster with an army of bots. Yes, you may not get the scroll you are looking for, but the same goes for hundreds of other gear pieces. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2021 22:24:24 GMT
We can agree to disagree. Creating rewards around items which are lost when grinding has to go into them in the first place flat out feels bad as others have mentioned. When time is the chief resource and that resource gets negated needlessly? That is poor design.
Artifacts, experience in general, gear, gold, canopics, augments, tag rewards, Demi iterations, etc. all of these are currencies which are obtained and retained. The scroll is an example of loot and time being lost which dramatically diminishes its value and the desire to acquire it. Which impacts the run usage, something that is trying to be improved.
Do people reincarnate more frequently than they should? That’s up for debate. I am not one of them. The fact it can be lost at all reduces the value of it to the point it isn’t worth obtaining. Hence my feedback about ways to improve that.
Given how infrequently the run is done, and the premise of the post being the frustrations with the run, addressing those pieces seems prime time. The permanency of the scroll would go a long way in alleviating that.
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Post by jelricle on Nov 17, 2021 3:56:51 GMT
100% agree the run is amazing. The scrolls are fun too. The fact they’re lost on reincarnation is the only thing that kills it. To Chirality’s point, creating loot is hard and this run did an incredible job. That minor adjustment, especially with the augs pretty plentiful as is will ensure it’s viability and sustained use. Very few if any rewards should not be permanent. I soloed for the tag!!! I got lucky in that the dragon got stuck behind a ballistae ramp, so I could take out the Father herald guy on his own, then nuke the dragon with sonic howl We definitely need a wiki entry for the archives rift fortress. And a “drops”page — I got the dispel proof armor (looking forward to see if that can protect from the beholder eyes in Zorbgot) but did not see 50% Neg immune armor. One pain point was a journal that could not be reached. You had to view it to read it, but it was a _long_ read. The spawn triggers had reset by the time I finished. It should have been a book that I could pick up and read more leisurely once I was in a safe zone. Maybe the text could be added to the “story” page in the wiki. Heh, firing through locked doors goes both ways. I cleared one of the rooms, that way, after equipping appropriate immunities. |
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Post by chainlink on Nov 17, 2021 7:50:57 GMT
"I got the dispel proof armor (looking forward to see if that can protect from the beholder eyes in Zorbgot)"
Nothing protects against the Beholder anti-magic cone as it is a unique effect and not Dispel, Breach or Mord, as noted when you use it as a shifter and it destroys all magical protective buffs friend or foe included.
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Post by simpetar on Nov 17, 2021 18:08:51 GMT
"I got the dispel proof armor (looking forward to see if that can protect from the beholder eyes in Zorbgot)" Nothing protects against the Beholder anti-magic cone as it is a unique effect and not Dispel, Breach or Mord, as noted when you use it as a shifter and it destroys all magical protective buffs friend or foe included. Augury protects from that, but if you got the spell fail debuff, you won't be able to recast until it wears off. Still, augury will buy you some time in beholders. Bonus points when it comes from CoVD: using an item isn't hampered by spell failure. |
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Post by chainlink on Nov 18, 2021 7:50:10 GMT
"I got the dispel proof armor (looking forward to see if that can protect from the beholder eyes in Zorbgot)" Nothing protects against the Beholder anti-magic cone as it is a unique effect and not Dispel, Breach or Mord, as noted when you use it as a shifter and it destroys all magical protective buffs friend or foe included. Augury protects from that, but if you got the spell fail debuff, you won't be able to recast until it wears off. Still, augury will buy you some time in beholders. Bonus points when it comes from CoVD: using an item isn't hampered by spell failure. I knew somebody was going to say that but in reality they can spam their anti-magic so unless you have access to infinite casts its going to be tricky to keep up and as you are playing a shifter any buffs will require you to unshift while you are attempting to cast them. |
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Post by simpetar on Nov 18, 2021 8:00:31 GMT
Augury protects from that, but if you got the spell fail debuff, you won't be able to recast until it wears off. Still, augury will buy you some time in beholders. Bonus points when it comes from CoVD: using an item isn't hampered by spell failure. I knew somebody was going to say that but in reality they can spam their anti-magic so unless you have access to infinite casts its going to be tricky to keep up and as you are playing a shifter any buffs will require you to unshift while you are attempting to cast them. I knew you were gonna rebut my rebuttal, but... errr... damn, I don't have a counter-argument to counter your counter-argument  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2021 13:32:06 GMT
Realistically though, COVD has a prime example. You pop it, go along, get hit, kill the bastards, refresh buff and rest as needed. Unless you’re slapping stuff with a wet noodle Augery gets the job done just fine?
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Post by boroie on Nov 18, 2021 13:57:58 GMT
Realistically though, COVD has a prime example. You pop it, go along, get hit, kill the bastards, refresh buff and rest as needed. Unless you’re slapping stuff with a wet noodle Augery gets the job done just fine? Or shacklling for the tag in which case you are level 54, dont have COVD and no paragon focus abj. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2021 14:41:25 GMT
Abandon ship. Lol
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Post by jelricle on Nov 18, 2021 15:38:24 GMT
Realistically though, COVD has a prime example. You pop it, go along, get hit, kill the bastards, refresh buff and rest as needed. Unless you’re slapping stuff with a wet noodle Augery gets the job done just fine? Or shacklling for the tag in which case you are level 54, dont have COVD and no paragon focus abj. Is there a way to check what changes you made, per level? Siege Mode for Stone golems is only supposed to take effect at LFFC1 and I did not think form focussed for construct until 56 or 57. However, when I shackle, I still have Siege Mode available. |
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Post by boroie on Nov 18, 2021 15:58:20 GMT
Or shacklling for the tag in which case you are level 54, dont have COVD and no paragon focus abj. Is there a way to check what changes you made, per level? Siege Mode for Stone golems is only supposed to take effect at LFFC1 and I did not think form focussed for construct until 56 or 57. However, when I shackle, I still have Siege Mode available. You can use the command "!list level" ti show what feats you took. In general, shackling restricts by level which includes tags for wearing eq and your demi level is impacted. Legendary feats are not restricted by level but paragon feats are. The actual level you took the feat at is not relevant. Shackling also impacts your legendary/paragon ab/saves, but not skills you have taken. |
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Post by simpetar on Nov 18, 2021 16:04:50 GMT
Or shacklling for the tag in which case you are level 54, dont have COVD and no paragon focus abj. Is there a way to check what changes you made, per level? Siege Mode for Stone golems is only supposed to take effect at LFFC1 and I did not think form focussed for construct until 56 or 57. However, when I shackle, I still have Siege Mode available. You keep all feats and skills and stats you had prior to shackling. That means you keep PSF abjuration, or benefits from legendary / paragon form foci for shifters and their respective abilities. You cannot cast paragon spells though, if you are below lvl 60. You are limited in your gear choices if it has some sort of level requirement (whether hidden, like artifacts, or explicit). Your caster level, or in this case, polymorph level will drop accordingly. |
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Post by jelricle on Nov 21, 2021 13:58:52 GMT
Y’know, I’ve only found the one spot where a scroll drops — In the room with the rift fortress door, just to the right (east) of the two little sub rooms in the middle, there is a mob locked scroll on the ground — Are there other scroll locations?
It has been the same scroll for me (energy buffer, I think). Are there other types of scrolls?
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Post by simpetar on Nov 21, 2021 14:18:32 GMT
Y’know, I’ve only found the one spot where a scroll drops — In the room with the rift fortress door, just to the right (east) of the two little sub rooms in the middle, there is a mob locked scroll on the ground — Are there other scroll locations? It has been the same scroll for me (energy buffer, I think). Are there other types of scrolls? That is the one. There are scrolls with Freedom of Movement, Aura of Vitality, Death Ward, and Energy Buffer, all CL 50. You need to be at lvl 55 or lower (or shackled) to get these, similar to other set loot in there. |
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