Pure Druid vs Druid w/monk

[ZeroGravitySE]

ok a pure druid (@40) has the following....
-Medium Armor & Shield
-Tumble(20)
-15deflection, (4/4) 15armor, (2) 13shield, 15dodge AoV (+5), 15natural
-40% group concealment
-All buffs are not as great with medium armor and shield equipt; but its a must!

and the AC only comes out to 94-98
with robes, I have like 82-84ac (but even with buffs I get hit so hard, I get put down quick, and I think I have just under 600 hitpoints fully buffed, which isn't much when u get hit for 60-80dmg and sometimes 120-140)

I am being forced to take monk! Most people that have mix builds come out with atleast 110, before they get nice gear. Which probly boost it to around 120-130. Pure druids need help in the defense department, I'm dying way to much and to fast! Wiz's have bonus of concealment 90%, and Clerics have buffs? What do I have heals and the hope they don't target me =)

[hiryuu]

You missed Natural armor in the list, and 19-20 dodge is easy to pick up. A pure druid really needs to either get Heavy Armor (Ssithrak plate totals around 27), and/or the Veil of Mists epic spell. Pure druid (really, druid in general) is a tough road, but you can tune it up a little.

[ZeroGravitySE]

hiryuu said:

You missed Natural armor in the list, and 19-20 dodge is easy to pick up. A pure druid really needs to either get Heavy Armor (Ssithrak plate totals around 27), and/or the Veil of Mists epic spell. Pure druid (really, druid in general) is a tough road, but you can tune it up a little.

I'm hoping for change, so that pure classes like druid get more attention, and we lean away from mix builds a little. If I took heavy plate, armor specific things in the future, such as medium armor for druids, wouldn't be as great to wear when heavy armor could protect me better. With 'Aura of Vitality' I can get 20dodge. I have the best a pure druid can have, with robes and using protection from spell my ac is around 84, with medium armor and shield I get about 96-101

Low AC, Low Concealment = Death

[Lord FlashHeart]

I don't get your point for the cost of 1 feat (heavy armour prof) you can easily get 105-110, you dont need to multiclass to get this. Holla had a pure druid, he probably knows the highest a pure 40 druid can get (he spent more time lying on the floor than standing on his feet if i remember rightly though)

[ZeroGravitySE]

flashheart2 said:

I don't get your point for the cost of 1 feat (heavy armour prof) you can easily get 105-110, you dont need to multiclass to get this. Holla had a pure druid, he probably knows the highest a pure 40 druid can get (he spent more time lying on the floor than standing on his feet if i remember rightly though)

The new druid Ultra-Rare armor is what im wearing (thanks to a friend), and I'm at 104 now. 1 feat is alot! my 4/4 medium armor works just as good as a 8/1 heavy armor, just 1 less ac. I don't see how heavy armor will help that much when druid armor is suppose to be medium, so there best armor should be medium armor?

[hiryuu]

Plate armor has several higher AC versions (up to +18) that the lower armors do not. It's a demand and supply thing. 1 feat hurts, but a monk build would lose one, too, so it's a wash.

[ZeroGravitySE]

hiryuu said:

Plate armor has several higher AC versions (up to +18) that the lower armors do not. It's a demand and supply thing. 1 feat hurts, but a monk build would lose one, too, so it's a wash.

Now when you say +18, u mean thats the best on the server? and there is no medium armor to match? wouldn't 4/4 +12 be 20? I haven't hit 60 yet, and I still have room for some change, but I would be taking away from my wisdom feats of course.

LSF(Transmutation) - Is this worth it for Quilfire, Drown, and Natures Balance? Or should I replace just that with the heavy armor feat? I don't want to take away from my wisdom thats why I want to know =)

[hiryuu]

By +18, I mean 8 base, 1 dex, and +18 enchantment, for 27 total. You may want to trade in 2 Wisdom feats for Heavy Armor and Armor Skin.

[ZeroGravitySE]

hiryuu said:

By +18, I mean 8 base, 1 dex, and +18 enchantment, for 27 total. You may want to trade in 2 Wisdom feats for Heavy Armor and Armor Skin.

I think I might be forced to do that so I can hold out better, thanks for your patients and help.

[holla]

flashheart2 said:

I don't get your point for the cost of 1 feat (heavy armour prof) you can easily get 105-110, you dont need to multiclass to get this. Holla had a pure druid, he probably knows the highest a pure 40 druid can get

With heavy armour and no buffs you can get a pure druid to 112ac.. with epic spells buffs(inc the cleric 1) this can be increased to 120ac. This though is only using items i have and there are additions often and also items i still havent seen so it may be possible to get higher than this.

flashheart2 said:

(he spent more time lying on the floor than standing on his feet if i remember rightly though)

lol, yup. The low saves on druids pretty much see to that and the key reason i would suggest taking a monk lvl for evasion, the ac boost doesnt hurt either. .

Holla.