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Post by zerragon on Sept 17, 2007 22:42:13 GMT
This is my new improved Eternal Voice build. Human - Shard Base/ Shard Str 14 / 14 Dex 14 / 18 Con 14 / 18 Wis 8 / 8 Int 14 / 14 Cha 14 / 18 All levels to Bard Lvl 1-40, 8 stat points to str, 2 to dex. Max conc, disc, heal, perform, tumble, parry. Put some leftovers in UMD and lore. Dont need much Lore, as Legend lore buff + 60 bard will make it skyhigh anyway. Pre 20: Lvl 1: Strong soul Artist Great fortitude Iron will Curse song SF: Transmutation GSF Transmutation SF: Enchantment Epic feats: GSF: Enchantment SF: Necro GSF: Necro ESF: Perform CC ICC Silent spell Bard Bonus: Great Cha 1 - 2 Great Dex 1 - 4 Lvl 40-60, all stat points to charisma Book: Illusion LL feats: Hardened soul extend spell Lsf illusion epic nec epic enc epic trans LSF enchantment Ends with 22 st, 24 dex and 30 cha. Saves @ 60: 59,60,60 A little low, you will have to go for Luck of heroes, ll luck, ll fort and ll will to get better saves, at the cost of LL illusion or enchant and extend spell. Consideration: Plan to use str artifact = 24 str. Can also use a save artifact. 2x demi will give 28 str, 28 dex, 34 cha, and buffed with +12 will be enough to resist all form of KDs. Went with the partysaver epics only, and enchantment, as I feel a bard should be able to give his allies +14 GMW. Enchantment epic also very nice in the hardest and most important area of the game Added LL illusion as it gives 3% more conceal, better displacement and loger lasting GS from ghostly visage. Extend spell for Extended displacements for tanks, they will love you.
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Post by Senaattori on Sept 18, 2007 11:20:38 GMT
hmm.. if I go with Chaos gnome would it be better to take 1 pally and 1 Wizzy lvl OR 1 Monk and 1 Wizzy lvl (Wizzy for negating exp penalty)? Would that make any Big Changes to build?
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Post by zerragon on Sept 18, 2007 11:24:42 GMT
Not a massive change, but you would loose the special lvl 62 bard song gained from beeing pure and taking artist in lvl 1.
If you go for 1 pally, you will free up 6 save feats (7 with artist) , in which you can take the missing feats (like lingering song, lasting impression and/or extra music) gained from Shard, 2 more epic feats OR higher base stats to make up for what you loose for not having Shard.
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Post by Senaattori on Sept 18, 2007 11:30:27 GMT
Hmm.. Might consider the Pally lvl then ^^ Thx for the fast reply
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Post by illandous on Sept 18, 2007 16:40:49 GMT
Hmm. I went pally on my choas gnome similar to this build. However I'm going to not go LL Enchant and take LL Illusion for the Shade summon. Have experience with that?
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Post by zerragon on Sept 18, 2007 18:19:35 GMT
Hmm. I went pally on my choas gnome similar to this build. However I'm going to not go LL Enchant and take LL Illusion for the Shade summon. Have experience with that? No, I think youd need more Charisma, or at least the spell penetration feats to take much advantage of the new shade spells coming. Even so, I cant see the bard getting very combat oriented with its casting.
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Post by atomicsomething on Sept 18, 2007 19:58:29 GMT
Hmm. I went pally on my choas gnome similar to this build. However I'm going to not go LL Enchant and take LL Illusion for the Shade summon. Have experience with that? No, I think youd need more Charisma, or at least the spell penetration feats to take much advantage of the new shade spells coming. Even so, I cant see the bard getting very combat oriented with its casting. still , why not LL Illusion ? 3% conceal is neat and Ghostly Visage duration will go up to 6 rounds. On this build, it's worth dropping a little more CHA IMO (added : or considering dropping on LL save feat, just looked closer to Leg feats you took)
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Post by zerragon on Sept 19, 2007 6:57:53 GMT
Cha has allready taken a hard hit, and dropping any ll saves will make that save drop to middle of 50s, which can be rather unpleasant for hells. LL illusion could be taken instead off LL enchant. A more selfish choice though
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Post by Senaattori on Sept 19, 2007 7:04:20 GMT
CC, ICC what those mean?
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Post by Senaattori on Sept 19, 2007 7:08:14 GMT
And if I go with the pally/wizzy/bard Chaos gnome version and get the "6 free feats" is there any point to take spell penetration feats, Still spell etc? never played bard so dunno bout these thing
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Post by zerragon on Sept 19, 2007 8:49:00 GMT
CC, ICC what those mean? Combat Casting & Improved Combat Casting. Why wizzy ?, if you want the std. cheese approach, go for 1 monk, gives evasion. You need either Silent or Still, not both. Silent is better as it allows you to cast spells silenced, which can be handy some places. Skip penetration feats with this build.
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Post by Senaattori on Sept 19, 2007 9:24:02 GMT
Wizzy cause I cant take the exp penalty. takes like month to get 1 toon to lvl 40 even without exp penalty. Don't have enough time to play
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Post by atomicsomething on Sept 19, 2007 11:15:37 GMT
Cha has allready taken a hard hit, and dropping any ll saves will make that save drop to middle of 50s, which can be rather unpleasant for hells. LL illusion could be taken instead off LL enchant. A more selfish choice though you might wanna try taking Strong Soul/LL Soul instead of LH/LLH with the 3 epic save feat, you should get all saves between 61-63 (Havent calculated exactly, but your DEX/CON/WIS are close to my build, so it should be in this range), and you may free one Legendary feat.
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Post by zerragon on Sept 19, 2007 11:20:43 GMT
Cha has allready taken a hard hit, and dropping any ll saves will make that save drop to middle of 50s, which can be rather unpleasant for hells. LL illusion could be taken instead off LL enchant. A more selfish choice though you might wanna try taking Strong Soul/LL Soul instead of LH/LLH with the 3 epic save feat, you should get all saves between 61-63 (Havent calculated exactly, but your DEX/CON/WIS are close to my build, so it should be in this range), and you may free one Legendary feat. Sounds like a good idea, will verify saves for this option when I get home. If so the saved LL feat can go to LSF illusion.
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Post by zerragon on Sept 19, 2007 18:34:46 GMT
My saves are 65 f, 62 r, 66 w as single demi.
Strong soul combo will give 62 f, 63 w (non demi), which also should be good enough, except deep hells as single and double demi, where fort and will would be in 56-57 ish range.
Though, not extremely critical, so you could fit in LL illusion or something else that way, possibly LSF parry ?
Im using asmo wand though (immune critical hit), and cant see Ill ever stop using it, so my parry skill is not really needed.
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