Lycan Dex Fighter (56 Fighter 3 Rogue 1 Ranger)

[louisvilleslugger]

Another Fighter build. Comments welcome.

Please let me know if I made any mistakes.

Pro's:
-High AC possible
-High AB
-Epic Dodge
-Stackable? concealment +32%
-Greater KD/Disarm/Parry
-Evasion
-Uncanny Dodge

Con's:
-Not much Damage output
-lower will save
-completely buff dependent

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56 Fighter
3 Rogue
1 Ranger

Race: Halfling(+2dex -2str):
+1 size bonus to attack rolls.
+1 size bonus to AC.
+4 size bonus to hide checks.
Skill Affinity (Move Silently): +2 racial bonus to move silently checks.
Skill Affinity (Listen): +2 racial bonus to listen checks.
Lucky: +1 luck bonus to all saving throws.
Fearless: +2 morale bonus to saving throws against spells and effects of the 'Fear' subtype.
Good Aim: +1 racial bonus to attack rolls made with throwing weapons.


Subrace: Lycan (DEX +4, CON +2, CHA -2)
free feat: Dodge, free feat: Improved Initiative, 10% vulnerable piercing, regenerates 4hp/round, increased base movement rate - fast

Starting Stats:
Str 8 (6)
Con 16 (18)
Dex 16 (18)(22)
Wis 8
Int 16
Cha 8 (6)


1. Fighter1, Feat: Blooded, weapon finesse
2. Fighter2, Feat: weapon focus-Handaxe (mace/rapier also good options)
3. Fighter3, Feat: Great fortitude
4. Fighter4, Feat: knockdown (dex23)
5. Fighter5
6. Fighter6, Feat: Iron will, disarm
7. Fighter7
8. Fighter8, Feat: improved knockdown (dex24)
9. Fighter9, Feat: Lightning Reflex
10. Fighter10, Feat: improved critical-Handaxe
11. Fighter11 ***Fighter Whetstone***
12. Fighter12, Feat: Toughness, improved disarm (dex25)
13. Fighter13
14. Fighter14, Feat: improved parry
15. Fighter15, Feat: called shot
16. Fighter16, Feat: blindfight (dex26)
17. Fighter17
18. Fighter18, Feat: skillfocus-parry, expertise
19. Fighter19
20. Fighter20, Feat: improved expertise (dex27)

Pre-Epic BAB= 20
Pre-Epic HP= 15*20=300
Pre-Epic Save= (fort= 19, reflex= 17, will= 8) -feats & halfling race & base attributes added in-
Pre-Epic Skill points = 115

EPIC
21. Fighter21, feat: epic weapon focus-Handaxe ***Advanced Defense***
22. Rogue1
23. Rogue2, evasion
24. Fighter22, feat: Epic Skill Focus-Parry, EP swap DEX (Dex28,29)
25. Fighter23,
26. Fighter24, feat: EP swap DEX (dex30)
27. Fighter25, feat: armorskin
28. Fighter26, feat: EP swap DEX (dex31,32)
29. Fighter27,
30. Fighter28, feat: Great Dex 1, EP swap DEX (dex33,34)
31. Fighter29,
32. Fighter30 feat: EP swap DEX ***Epic Dodge*** (dex35,36)
33. Fighter31, Feat: Great Dex 2 (dex37)
34. Fighter32, feat: EP swap DEX (dex38)
35. Fighter33,
36. Fighter34, Feat: Great Dex 3, EP swap DEX (dex39,40,41)
37. Fighter35
38. Fighter36, feat: EP Swap DEX (dex42)
39. Ranger1, Feat: Great Dex 4 ,ranger feat: epic prowess, normal (dex43)
40. Rogue3, uncanny dodge (dex44)

Epic BAB= 30
Epic HP= 300 + 17*15 + 3*11 = 588
Epic Save= (fort= 29, reflex=36 , will=18 )
Epic Skill points = 120

LEGENDARY
41. Fighter37
42. Fighter38, Feat: LSA-Tumble (Dex45)
43. Fighter39
44. Fighter40 (Dex46)
45. Fighter41, Feat: Legendary Weapon Focus-handaxe ***Greater Disarm/Knockdown/Parry***
46. Fighter42 (Dex47)
47. Fighter43
48. Fighter44, Feat: Legendary Skill Focus-Parry (Dex48)
49. Fighter45
50. Fighter46 (Dex49)
51. Fighter47, Feat: Great Dex 5 (Dex50)
52. Fighter48 (Dex51)
53. Fighter49
54. Fighter50, Feat: Legendary Will (Dex52)
55. Fighter51
56. Fighter52 (Dex53)
57. Fighter53, Feat: Legendary Fort
58. Fighter54 (Dex54)
59. Fighter55
60. Fighter56, Feat: Great Dex 6 (Dex55,56)


Leg. BAB = 45
Leg. Base save = fort=41, reflex=42, will=30)
Leg. Base HP = 888
Leg. Skill points= 100



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Skills (total skill pts=115+120+100=335)

Discipline=63
Tumble=60
Parry=63 (imp parry adds 4, skill focus-parry adds 3, ESF adds 10, LSF adds 20)
63+37+29=129 (129/4= +32% concealment) (towershield= -10 penalty or largeshield -2 penalty)
Craft armor=63
Craft Weapon=63
Use Magic device=23 (enough to use scrolls? Not sure.)



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Final Dex

68 = 16 (base) + 6 (race/subby) + 10 (lvlup) + 10 (LL) + 14 (ep swap & G. dex. feats) + 12 (items)


Final Max. AB

102 to 103 = 30 (L40) + 15 (LBAB) + 1 (WF) + 2 (EWF) + 1 (EP) + 3 (LWF) + 29 (dex) + 20 (via buffs) (1 to 2 craft weapon AB stacks)



Final Max. Saves (if +12 to save attributes, +20 to save throw from items)

Fort=67 Reflex=68 Will=56



Maximum AC? (tough to get the gear of course)

Base=10
Dex=29
Tumble=12
Natural=20
Deflection=20
Dodge=20
Shield (tower)=20+2 or 3 (tower/large shield?)
armor (robes)=0+20
armorskin=2
Craft armor bonus=1 to 2
AC=155 to 157 max? w/ Expertise & Improved Expertise Option

[starlandra]

question... you keep making fighter CC even after we explained why it is a very weak CC... is this a role playing obsession, or you just really like normal fighters? Star confused lol... this build for example has a 102 ab? 112 if you had 50 wm... why go fighter?

[louisvilleslugger]

I like fighters.

They are in need of some further power increases, IMO--> especially after hearing that the "greater" feats are pretty useless (they look neat on paper).

I like the E.Prowess swap for stats though.

The WM build would probably end up with less dex and would have to take a class that lessened AB by 1 pre-epic in order to get evasion and still have 50 WM levels. (less AB than the 112, but very likely still more than fighter, but i haven't ran any numbers)

[starlandra]

evasion is not the end all be all... have many tanks without it and other than beholders, and the ancient maze, don't even notice that it is gone... and even if you did take a 1 ab hit splash, the +10 ab makes up for it... as for the dex... no not that high, but high enough. mine got to 64 I think without even pushing it hard which is only 4 off yours... that is -2 ab and ac,... ab wise you would still be up 7 ab. but you like fighter lol rock on!

[flay]

Uncanny dodge is useless. You're better off getting fighter 58 rogue 2 if you want evasion.

I'd go for Fighter 60, maybe then the greater feats would work sometimes. Although greater disarm doesnt actually disarm unfortunately. But then you wouldn't have UMD, which is a bad idea.

UMD 23 is too low. it migh be good enough to use scrolls outside of hells, but its in hells that counts. The bard song will compensate hell penalties but if you die and need to use GS and the bard doesnt sing for you, you may end up in limbo when you could have avoided it.

Edit: I think the umd formula for scrolls is DC 25 + spell level. 23 is too low.