Staffless Master 21 Wizard/16 WM/3 Monk

[mloki]

I was considering taking an Epic Spell Focus instead of the combat casting and Epic Spell feats, or even Improved Crit instead of Epic Weapon Focus. I just thought I would throw this build up here to see what others think and open it up for suggestions.

These stats are Nekid at 40th.



These stats are with buffs.



Race: Human Subrace: PT - Air Genasi

STR: 14
DEX: 16+2(Sub)=18/26[40th]
CON: 14
INT: 15+2(Sub)=17/19[40th]
WIS: 8-2(Sub)=6
CHR: 8-2(Sub)=6

Level Class lvl Stat + Feats:
1 Wizard 1 Feat: Dodge, Expertise
2 Wizard 2
3 Wizard 3 Feat: WF: Quarterstaff
4 Wizard 4 Stat:INT18
5 Wizard 5 BF: Extend Spell
6 Wizard 6 Feat: Mobility
7 Wizard 7
8 Wizard 8 Stat:INT19
9 Wizard 9 Feat: Spring Attack
10 Wizard 10 BF: Quicken
11 Wizard 11
12 Wizard 12 Stat:DEX19 Feat: Whirlwind Attack
13 Wizard 13
14 Wizard 14
15 Wizard 15 Feat: Blind Fighting, BF: Combat Casting
16 WM 1 Stat:DEX20
17 WM 2
18 WM 3 Feat: Weapon Finesse
19 WM 4
20 WM 5 Stat:DEX21
BAB: 12
21 Wizard 16 Feat: Armor Skin
22 Monk 1
23 WM 6
24 Wizard 17 Stat:DEX22 Feat: Improved Combat Casting
25 WM 7
26 WM 8
27 Wizard 18 Feat: Auto Quicken I
28 WM 9 Stat:DEX23
29 WM 10
30 Wizard 19 Feat: Auto Quicken II
31 WM 11
32 WM 12 Stat:DEX24
33 WM 13 Feat: WF: Kama, WoC: Kama
34 Wizard 20 BF: Auto Quicken III
35 WM 14
36 WM 15 Stat:DEX25 Feat: EWF: Kama
37 Monk 2
38 WM 16 BF: Epic Prowess
39 Wizard 21 Feat: Epic Spell: Warding
40 Monk 3 Stat:DEX26


I haven't gone into LL progression with this character yet but have considered rounding out some saves or getting additional HP. Any Thoughts?

MLoki

[mishimayukio]

With the new AB changes control class wizards have terrible AB, I suggest rethinking with weapon master control class.

[DragonChyld]

My newest build is a Spelljammer 20WM/17Wiz/3Monk. If your interested I could send you a copy of the build. It could prolly be modded for a non secret subby.

~ DC

[mloki]

What kind of AB is needed for a 40th level build to work well enough in later levels?

MLoki

*Edit
After looking at other Staff Master Builds it seems that I am only off by a few AB at 40th level and I get Monk attack progression including flurry and the possibility of Epic Spells. I would be glad to look at other similiar builds as that is what I am looking for to compare and contrast differences.

[bort]

Since Legendary Level AB increases have been added, you'll have dramatically lower AB with Wizard as your control class, as Mish said.

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Attack Bonus:
Characters receive a simulated increase to attack bonus in legendary levels. This is implemented by granting characters 20 additional BAB at level 40, and then placing a -20 AB penalty on them. The penalty will decrease as you gain legendary levels. Depending on your character's control class, you will gain AB in one of three progressions:

Tier 1: Barbarian, Fighter, Monk, Paladin, Ranger, Blackguard, Champion of Torm, Dwarven Defender, Weapon Master
AB increases at level 42, 43, 44, 46, 47, 48, 50, 51, 52, 54, 55, 56, 58, 59, and 60, for a total of +15 BAB at level 60.

Tier 2: Bard, Cleric, Druid, Rogue, Assassin, Red Dragon Disciple, Shadowdancer, Shifter
AB increases at level 41, 43, 45, 47, 49, 50, 51, 53, 55, 57, 59, and 60, for a total of +12 BAB at level 60.

Tier 3: All other classes
AB increases at level 44, 46, 48, 50, 52, 54, 56, 58, and 60, for a total of +9 BAB at level 60.

With Weapon Master control class you will recieve +15 AB by level 60.
With Wizard control class you'll only get +9.

You'll also lose a few potential points of AB from have fewer WM levels.
www.nwnwiki.org/Weapon_Master#Epic_Weapon_Master

Superior Weapon Focus: For every 3 epic levels gained an additional +1 to attack is granted to the Weapon of Choice.

eg: +1 AB at 13, 16, 19, 22 and 25 levels of WM, so you lose 3 points of AB over a 15wiz/25wm build (meaning a total difference of 9 AB between your build and a 15wiz/25wm build).

imo, if you're going to focus on Wizard levels more than WM levels, you should at least get 25 wizard levels (pre legendary) so you can get a Custom Higher Ground Epic spell or two, although with the addition of Legendary AB and rescaling of the mod to accomodate for it, you may find you don't hit much with a Wizard control class Staffmaster.